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The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

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Do you use a dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.? Pick the option that best describes you!

We normally sail for several days or longer, and take a dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc. with us.
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We normally only sail for a weekend, overnight, or daysail, but still take a dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc. with us.
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We only sometimes take a dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc. with us.
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We do not normally take a dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc. with us, just the sailboat.
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The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby vizwhiz » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:22 pm

So the admiral is afraid we'll look like the Clampett's if we tow our alternate water transport device behind the boat. I told her everyone does it...that it was the normal way people on smaller boats like ours brought them along. She disbelieved, and didn't understand why we might want to have it along, since we were going thru the effort to rig and sail the big boat already! So, i thought I'd try to help her see what percentage of sailors actually take a secondary water transport device along, even if they are just going overnight. Interested to see the results myself! :wink:

Please feel free to post a pic of your tow package... :D
Last edited by vizwhiz on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby sailboatmike » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:53 am

But But But, what about " We sometimes take the dinghy / SUP with us"
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby KootsChewt » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:42 pm

We normally tow at least our 8' Walker Bay (with water wings) even on day sails. Sometimes we also tow the SUP as well. For overnight or longer trips we definitely take both. We just did a 7 day trip and had both, plus the sail kit for the WB. At times I left the mast on the WB while towing it behind, like a little puppy!
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby vizwhiz » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:30 pm

sailboatmike wrote:But But But, what about " We sometimes take the dinghy / SUP with us"


Alright...there ya go. :P
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Dinghy poll vs. admiral mind made up

Postby K9Kampers » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:38 am

vizwhiz wrote:So the admiral is afraid we'll look like the Clampett's if we...


My reasoning to whether or not to tow a dinghy is that it is easier, drier, quicker to row the dogs ashore than to swim them ashore...as well as setting second anchor, washing dishes, rowing in for supplies, etc,...versus swimming it for the same. It all makes sense to me, but the admiral doesn't do any of those tasks, so that reasoning doesn't mean anything to her.

Within the last year, we got for the house, a tankless water heater, New dishwasher & new washing machine. Wife did all the research based on what she wanted. I voiced challenges and compromises to each of her choices. We got what she wanted, yet now, despite the appliences working normal, the issues I outlined have made themselves known and somehow have become my fault and to deal with.

To those who quote that if the admiral ain't happy then no one is happy... I say THE ADMIRAL AIN'T EVER HAPPY!
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby Highlander » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:20 pm

Remember not only r u the skipper of the boat but u r also the commander in chief so as u r able to discharge said Admiral an appoint a new one ! ! :)

If that,s not feasible then demote her to workin class crew but give her a tittle to keep her spirits up like "Chief cook & bottle washer if she ask,s for more then give her chief head cleanin possition as well ! & tell her she should b happy now that she has two positions now instead of one :wink:

If all that fails then tell her U,ll also give up chief dinghy rower, dog walker & grocery & supply shopper positions just to keep her happy & explain to her that now she will b too busy to b grumpy & complainin all the time :P

If u r not shure how to go about this give me ur Ph # & I,ll talk to her & explain everything to her in explicit detail so as she understands ALL her new Duty,s now :D

Always glad to give out a helpin hand when it,s needed , That,s what friends r for right !

So let us all know how u make out with that !

Just sayin That,s All

J :D :D :D
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby sailboatmike » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:15 pm

Should I alert the emergency services just before you have that conversation, I feel head injuries may be the outcome :D
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby vizwhiz » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:50 pm

sailboatmike wrote:Should I alert the emergency services just before you have that conversation, I feel head injuries may be the outcome :D


Lol! No no, this wasn't one of THOSE conversations. Just more of a...discussion. Thanks to everyone who participated. I'll be having the discussion again with her, and having to make up my mind on how, or IF, i should bring along a secondary boat. The dinghy just takes up a lot of room on board, although less if towed, of course. So we'll figure those things out as we start sailing again after the summer. Thanks again, and please feel free to share more of your stories about how useful (or not) it is to have a secondary boat along on a weekend or daysail.
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby Baha » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:30 am

I have not used any type of dinghy, but want to start using my Advanced Elements inflatable kayak as such.

My decision is whether I want to use the single, which will easily fit on the boat when not on use, or (my preference) the double, which will have to be towed.

Thoughts?
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby K9Kampers » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:07 am

For the first three or four seasons, my dinghy was a sit on top kayak. It was something we already had without having to invest in a new dinghy, and was necessary as we sail with dogs that need to go ashore. Also used for exploring at anchorage and hauling gear ashore for boat club beach dinners - just like any typical dinghy would be used. As a SOT, it tracked well behind the boat, had no worries of flooding and due to its 12' length, fit perfect on the foredeck under the mast for overland transport. Drawbacks were that it was easy to get wet and was not stable in squirly wind/water.

Investing in and inflatable dinghy was always the plan - so much more capable and versatile. Tows easy behind the boat, convenient (but hefty) to store rolled up below deck or on deck, or even inflated on deck while sailing or motoring.
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby K9Kampers » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:12 am

Baha - which models of the AE Kayaks are you referring?
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby BOAT » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:51 am

We have the inflatable kayak - it fits in the starboard side of the bow compartment under that bow berth. I unpack it on the bow berth and pull it up thru the forward hatch - I inflate it on the bow. It takes me about 15 minutes to get the little boat ready to go - it takes longer if i use the inflatable seats that come with the little boat, but we rarely use them. We do not tow the kayak long distances. If we are moving on, I deflate the little boat on the bow, stuff it down the forward hatch, and fold it on the bow berth - put it in the bag and stuff it back into the starboard side under the forward berth compartment. It takes longer to stow it - about a half hour.

If you really want to get into the females obsession with "Dinghy Envy" I might suggest a trip to Avalon sometime. As we skippers know, "Sometimes, a Cigar is Just a Cigar", but at Avalon even Sigmund Freud would be impressed with the display of Electra Complex going on at the dinghy dock. First off, to really get a good view of the parade of 'symbols' passing by you need a mooring right off the Catalina Island Yacht Club:

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If you look closely you can see two children in the dock cabana dressed in the appropriate club garb ready to catch your lines when you approach the dinghy dock which has HANDLES AND STEPS and the obligatory "WATCH YOUR STEP" so you can exit your "dinghy" without getting water on your Sperrys:

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After exiting your "dinghy" the children promptly take your little boat to a parking spot with the efficiency of any valet parking.

Now, I say "dinghy" in quotes because these little boats are hardly akin to the rubber rafts we mere mortals tend to drag behind our trailer trash like so many flaccid wet noodles, (causing said embarrassment referenced in the title of this posting), causing your females assessment of your equipment. Just wait till your wife watches the steady traffic of center console rib tenders float by on their way to the "Valet Parking":

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Although you may comfort yourself noting the diminutive odd 40 HP outboards on some these "dinghy's" It's especially ironic when your wife POINTS at a shiny white Evinrude ETEC 60 on the back of one of the Argos, or se Avons or Ribcraft tenders and she says: "Hey, isn't that the same motor we have on OUR boat?" :( Yeah, that's an Etec60 - and you never really care anymore about what your "dinghy" looks like - the whole thing does not matter anymore - there is always something better out there.

We make it a point to try to show up now at the dinghy dock in dirty clothing, sandy shoes, and a big wet spot on our butts so no one gets the wrong idea about what kind of boat we came from. The children may not quickly run up to us to grab our lines expecting that 10 dollar tip, but we know we will be at home with those folks that tow their little boats behind them. (And when the children DO run up to our kayak to grab the painter we give them a TWENTY DOLLAR tip!) So THERE! MY tip is bigger than YOUR tip!! (Freud would be proud).
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby Sisu » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:05 pm

I've been thinking about building a Bolger Nymph pram as a dinghy for ours. At under 8 feet in length and about a 3.5 foot beam, I think it would fit on Sisu's foredeck if needed (though we might not be able to see where the heck we're going). The Nymph can be built out of 2 sheets of 1/4 inch plywood in less than 100 hours.
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby Y.B.Normal » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:29 pm

Sisu,
Great to see you on the board. Good sailing last night.
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Re: The admiral questioned this...dinghy, kayak, SUP, etc.

Postby vizwhiz » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:57 pm

This is great stuff. I appreciate all the input...
I'm definitely feeling less concerned about having a dinghy-thingy with me, especially seeing how many voted that they don't take one at all. On top of that, nobody voted that they take one on overnights or daysails...
The more we sail, the more we'll talk about this, I'm sure. And the first time we have to wade anywhere, I'm sure it will become a higher priority! :D
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