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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby schoeni » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:58 pm

Hi,
I have a problem to legalize a enigne with more than 38 kW (50 hp) which is specified in the examination report (declaration of conformity) coming with my 26m.
I like to use the boat on Lake Constance (Bodensee).
Does anyone who uses a bigger engine have a matching declaration of conformity?

Thanks for your reply,
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby Catigale » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:11 am

Rainer..I don't think a certificate of compliance was ever issued for a motor larger than 60 HP
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby kurz » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:20 am

Hallo Rainer
Es spielt wohl noch eine grosse Rolle ob Bodensee-Schweiz oder Bodensee Deutschland.

Ganz locker wird es wohl nicht gehen, weil beide Länder erst mal auf CE setzen serden. Nach Gefühl könnte aber die Zulassung in D mit grösserem Motor wohl einfacher sein wie in CH.

Besseren Rat kriegst du aber im booteforum.de

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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby sailboatmike » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:58 pm

As far s I know 50Hp for the X (or 60 for the M) was only a recommendation, my early X has no tag on it giving maximum rating for the motor
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby kurz » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:24 pm

I think he talks about Bodensee in Germany/Switzerland...

So there you have the CE - and there you can see the max 60HP for ther :macm:
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby schoeni » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:23 am

Thanks for your replies.
My CE from IMCI in Brussels is with only 38 kW rated power.
On bwyachts I found a specification and engine recommendations for 70 hp:
http://www.bwyachts.com/26mspecs.html
http://www.bwyachts.com/engines.html

So I send a email to the IMCI what about 70 hp (52 kW). I am waiting for their reply.
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby yukonbob » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:06 pm

The catch with installation of a 70hp is that the installation is exclusive to BWY having designed the installation in conjunction with the manufacturer.
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby kurz » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:07 am

very strange you have a 50HP paper for the :macm:
If you need paper for the 26m in German you can contact me on mail.

Have to look but I thing at least there is th 60hp information.
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby Catigale » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:47 am

There are huge differences between regulations in countries. In the USA, the Macs are of a size where there is no regulation of engine size, for instance.
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby sailboatmike » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:56 pm

Dont get me started with National laws, here in Australia we have state boating laws, believe me that makes it a hodge podge of rules that often conflict with each other in relation to licencing and if the boat needs registering
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby Highlander » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:59 pm

If u watch the sales video Roger say,s he recommends the 50hp power as a max because u can always pull start a 50hp if ur battery goes dead !!! :D :D :D :D

I do not believe there is any mention in the vid or in the boat :macm: manual that says u must not exceed 50hp
yep I just read the manual I do not see any mention of 50hp max

Just sayin that,s all

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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby kurz » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:49 am

sorry Highlander, we are here in Europa, so we have CE-Regulations. So in any CE you will find max HP. And in the :macm: - CE Roger says 60HP. :(
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby Highlander » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:57 pm

kurz wrote:sorry Highlander, we are here in Europa, so we have CE-Regulations. So in any CE you will find max HP. And in the :macm: - CE Roger says 60HP. :(


U know a lot of the newer electronic engines the HP is controlled by computer programming my 75hp Merc 4 stroke is the same motor as the 90hp Merc & the 115HP Merc all spec,s block & gear case r the same !!

Some people have been know to have turned the engines up !! & on some engine,s it,s only an air intake dam restricting air flow reducing HP

my 75HP Merc has more torq than the 90-115HP engines so it is better suited for the heavy & more rounded hull of the :macm: & :tat26: , now on a flatter hull like the :macx: u would likely see some improvement

So it is not always just about increasing HP depending on hull shape & boat design & weight , so sometimes more "Torq" is desirable & will give u better results

Just sayin that,s All :wink:

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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby schoeni » Fri May 19, 2017 10:46 am

Hi all,
I stopped my effort to legalize a motor with more than 50 hp.
I got a offer of 2.500 EUR for a post construction assessment (PCA). But for the test drive the motor needs to be at the boat... It was not sure that my :macm: would really pass this test.

So I did the easy way:
Yamaha sells their F 70 AETL as a F 40 GETL in Italy (40 hp limit, if you have no driving licence). There is just a plate to remove in the intake. No need to change or reprogramming the ECU. Check the bills of material if you don´t believe me.

Bodenseezulassung was no problem.
I am happy,
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Re: 26 m with a 90 hp?

Postby Highlander » Fri May 19, 2017 6:48 pm

Hi rainer
Way to go let us all know how that work,s out for u :wink:

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