looking for a dinghy --ideas

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by NiceAft » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:28 pm

White camouflage's the crystallized salt better than the black. :P :wink:
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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by DaveB » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:44 pm

I use my 30lb thrust Kota in salt and fresh water, I lubed all parts with magic lube and cut off 10 inches of shaft for kayak. I don't know what the deference between the salt water version that I can't find on 30lb thrust so for $79 each bought 2 backups.
So far motor works great after a year in salt water.
I do rinse off with fresh water every time.
I think Kota only has 40lb Plus thrust in salt water series and last time I cked was over $300. You can buy 3-4 fresh water units for that price.

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This Motor started showing rust right away , to the point I took her off the stern and stowed her under the cockpit
I bought a freshwater Minn Kota because that is mostly where I sail, but I am curious what the difference is between the fresh and salt water Minn Kota's. I assume it is more than just the paint job (i.e., white for salt and black for fresh). :?

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by frede » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:18 pm

Any suggestions for using (or not using) a cheap kayak? The Admiral has a couple Sun Dolphin Aruba 10' one Person Sit-In Kayaks she'd like to bring along on our next outing.

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by THE CUSCUS » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:41 am

Not a good choice if you want to tow it behind your boat. A kayak cannot go up on plane, and if its hull speed is exceeded, it will nose dive into the waves and go under. Kayaks are best stored on the deck.

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by NiceAft » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:56 am

frede wrote:Any suggestions for using (or not using) a cheap kayak? The Admiral has a couple Sun Dolphin Aruba 10' one Person Sit-In Kayaks she'd like to bring along on our next outing.
It also depends on what your needs are.

If you just want to explore offset areas, then a kayak will work (if you figure out how to store it on deck). If you need something for transporting more than two persons from ship to shore (or vice versa), or for bringing several items to an anchored boat, a kayak is not the best choice.

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by frede » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:44 am

NiceAft wrote:
frede wrote:Any suggestions for using (or not using) a cheap kayak? The Admiral has a couple Sun Dolphin Aruba 10' one Person Sit-In Kayaks she'd like to bring along on our next outing.
It also depends on what your needs are.

If you just want to explore offset areas, then a kayak will work (if you figure out how to store it on deck). If you need something for transporting more than two persons from ship to shore (or vice versa), or for bringing several items to an anchored boat, a kayak is not the best choice.

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We would just use them to explore, they wouldn't carry much at all. How to store them on deck will be the big problem, I don't think they will tow well.

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by npsrangerchuck » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:03 am

Been looking at these- I heard from a friend in Cape Cod that he had one last ten years with intermittent use (usually fewer than five consecutive days on the water and then stored indoors). 1100 Denier PVC fabric, v-hull (inflatable keel tube) and rigid inflatable floor. Price is certainly right....

http://www.boatstogo.com/inflatable_boat_sd290.asp

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by npsrangerchuck » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:11 am

Here is a short write up from the Saturn web site, re: caring for and life expectancy of their boats

Q: How long should I expect my Saturn inflatable boat to last?

A: That is totally up to you. If you take good care of your boat, it may last 5-10 years. If you do not take proper care of the boat, it will only last up to its warranty period. However, abused and mishandled boats are not covered by the warranty.

When not in use, it is highly recommended to store PVC inflatable products in a well ventilated, shaded area. Humidity and heat are killers for PVC glue used in the assembly of inflatable boats. Do NOT store PVC inflatables in closed containers, boxes or storage areas with no ventilation and under direct sunlight. Humidity will accumulate in tightly closed storage areas and will weaken the chemical bond of PVC glue once significant heat is present.

To extend the lifetime of your boat by taking proper care of it, we are recommending following book: "INFLATABLE BOATS - Selection, Care, Repair, and Seamanship" by Jim Trefethen. ISBN number 0-07-065252-X. Available at http://www.amazon.com, or you may order it from the publisher: The McGraw-Hill Companies, 1-800-262-4729.

It is well known that the most common reason for premature boat aging is exposure to the sun and its damaging UV rays. Fabric discoloration, fading, breakdowns and damages to varnished plywood can be all attributed to direct sun exposure.

The solution is simple - when the boat is not in use, cover it or deflate it. There are plenty of Inflatables rotting under the damaging sun in any local marine or harbor. If possible, deflate the boat, clean it and store it in its carry bag.

If the boat is constantly dragged behind your sailboat, left year round on a dock, or left dirty and directly under harmful UV-rays, you can't expect it to last forever. If you use a boat cover, or at least cover boat with a piece of tarp, your SATURN will last much longer.

Try to keep the boat clean and free of chemical detergents and sun screen lotions that may discolor the fabric. We highly recommend boat cleaners available at the Inland Marine USA web site.

Please use ONLY cleaning solutions that are approved for PVC fabrics. For example Inflatable Boat Cleaner from NauticalEase or Cape Ann Inflatable Boat Protector from Inland Marine. Do not use CLOROX, Windex or any other household cleaners. These chemicals will make the fabric sticky over time. Sun screen lotions may contain silicon that will also make PVC fabric sticky. Clean the boat tubes of any sun screen lotion marks to extend the boat fabric life cycle.

Your local West Marine store always carry number of inflatable boats cleaners, protectants and boat paints that will help to keep your inflatable boat as good as new.



We also recommend very convenient Swipes Wipes, as they contain an excellent cleaning solution for inflatable boats. These wipes remove any type of dirt, protect against UV-rays and can make the boat look new again.

A reminder to all of our friends and customers in the hot and humid areas of South Florida, Texas, LA and the likes. Please keep in mind when storing any inflatable raft or flotation device that your garage can easily reach temperatures of 100+ degrees in the heat of summer, not to mention swelter in unprecedented levels of humidity for months on end. This unnecessary and easily avoidable exposure to constant moisture is known to corrode away at the integrity of the chemical bond used to weld your inflatable together.

It is recommended by us here at Saturn that you always cover your inflatable when not in use, and when possible deflate so that you can store away within a climate controlled area of your house. Also note that if you are unable to pack away your inflatable to always reduce the amount of pressure within the tubes and floor as heat exposure will cause the air contained within the vessel to expand, ultimately resulting in a burst seem. The few extra minutes spent packing away your Craigslist posting about Saturn boat over 10 year old, but still in great condition.PVC inflatable watercraft will dramatically increase its durability and longevity helping minimize weekends lost to ruptured seams.

If you will take proper care of your inflatable boat, it may last well over its warranty timeframe; over 10 years! See example of this Craigslist ad posted in March of 2015 advertising 2003 Saturn inflatable boat in a great condition.

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by NiceAft » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:48 am

An inflatable is what is used by many here.

My twelve year old 9+foot Achiles has performed well, but if frede already has two kayaks, why go to the expense? If a safe, easy way is found to secure them midship's forward, that is best. The Kayaks are only being used for exploring.

Frede, put some thought into it, and I'm sure a solution to securing them will materialize.

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by yukonbob » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:09 pm

If looking for a smaller paddling inflatable Google pack rafts. Essentially an inflatable one person kayak that packs down small enough to fit in a backpack yet tough enough to run white water and get bounced and drug over rocks

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by NiceAft » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:26 pm

drug over rocks

No thank you!

The only thing I might place overs rocks is cheap whisky. The good stuff should remain unadulterated. :)

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by yukonbob » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:19 pm

:D :D

http://www.foldingkayak.com/packrafts.htm

One of the sites on a Google search

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by fouz » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:11 pm

The Saturn inflatable looks nice. Here is another budget inflatable i was looking at but cant find any info on them besides their page.

http://www.inflatableboats.com/Cardinal ... DSB300.htm

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by NiceAft » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:01 pm

If everyone is so intent on convincing the poster about getting an inexpensive inflatable, maybe an understanding of the difference between Hypalon and PVC is appropriate. Those seem to be the materials most used.

http://www.boatus.com/boattech/articles ... -boats.asp

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Re: looking for a dinghy --ideas

Post by Catigale » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:18 pm

I'm an always hard guy. My dinghy I mean. I mean my dinghy behind my boat.

The hard plastic 10 foot water tender tows great, is indestructible, and has lasted umpteen season of kids and Caoe Cod rocks.

450-550 on sale at WM.

It rows much better than any inflatable, too.

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