Rounding up and knock down seem to be the confusion terms here. It seems to be different for different people. I'm not sure what authority we could go to for definitions on this stuff. Some of the posters put some specifics on the terms, like:Signaleer wrote:I've never said anything about an M (nor anyone else here as far as I know)... But you seem hull bent on describing an X even though you admittedly have never been on one. Its like I am on sailing anarchy... but I digress.BOAT wrote:This makes me more aware of the fact that the X and the M do not sail the same - this could be some of the confusion.Signaleer wrote:
Is what you are saying.. (dramatic pause)... Are you literally trying to state that the 26M is the only boat in the world that can't be knocked down and doesn't round up? And by the way, rounding up has a definition, and it is not what you are stating.
"The term to me means when the boat heads up into the wind no matter what the helmsman tries."
Some do not - so I am not really sure what it is we are talking about. If the above is the correct definition then I am indeed wrong, and in that case my boat has NEVER "rounded up". I have never had 'boat' overcome the helm as described above unless the boat was not moving. That's why I keep saying the boat "stops dead in it's tracks" If the boat is not moving forward there is no way to steer and the boat can get blown around this way and that. In MY experience - on MY boat - I have always been able to steer the boat as long as I am moving forward. The racing guys get stuck spinning around on their keels because they have STOPPED and (as you know) the rudders don't do anything if your STOPPED.
I have felt the boat TRY to turn into the wind when heeled over but I have always been able to add downwind rudder and continue on. I have never had the boat just turn into the wind without me being able to stop it. That is where I think I am getting confused. I have experienced such a thing on other boats - but I have never had it happen on my MAC.
I was commenting on the M and the X because it seemed to me the M owners were describing the round up maneuver differently than the X owners in SOME cases - I was speculating. It's worth investigating.
These are the kinds of discussions you see on the racing forums - everyone is trying to figure out the tiniest details of performance. They usually do get pretty long.