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First Trip, questions for the veterans

Post by red_sky_at_night »

Note: very lengthy post, please skip to the questions in blue below if you don't have time for some reading :)

The admiral and I took out our new (2006) :macm: for a weekend excursion. We just got her a little over a week ago and after a couple of successful launches and motoring around our bay, we decided to venture out and do some extended exploring. When we got her, all the rigging was stowed in the cabin for transport, so we had to figure out where everything went, which wasn't very quick or easy as nothing was labeled, but we eventually got things right. It didn't appear that the previous owner had done much sailing on her as the ropes and sails were like new.

By the time we loaded everything on board and got all the rigging set up and ready to launch it was already dinner time. The wind in among the islands was pretty inconsistent and generally light, so we didn't get any sailing in the first day, just motored around and enjoyed the beautiful scenery, ending up tied to a dock at a friend's cove nearby. Our friend is a former :mac19: owner, who initially got us hooked on the idea of a Mac. When we arrived at his cove, he was really helpful in helping us get the rigging set up optimally and showing us how to manage the lines.

On Saturday, we motored over to Poets Cove on South Pender Island to check out the resort there. It was a bit too pretentious (it didn't seem like we would fit in unless our boat was about 30 ft longer) and busy for us, so we cruised to the N end of Bedwell Harbour where North and South Pender Islands meet and dropped anchor. I had never set an anchor before, so I was a bit nervous, but everything went smoothly, although I couldn't sleep well because I was worried that we might be drifting in the middle of the night and I'm still not used to the noises and rocking. The Admiral, as is usual, was instantly asleep after lights out and slept soundly until morning. She didn't even wake up while I went up top a couple of times to check that our anchor was holding. I don't have much to compare to, but it was a nice sheltered anchorage with a sandy bottom and not too busy. There's a little beach there and hiking trails. We took our tender to shore and had a picnic on the beach.

The tender I bought just before heading out was a mistake. It's an inflatable dinghy that looks pretty solid and would be a fine vessel for a calm lake or river, but really isn't meant to be towed on the ocean. I found that if I went over 6 knots it would start to collect water, effectively turning it into a big sea anchor, which we had to haul in and empty. I later learned that I could have tied a rope underneath it to lift the nose up more so that it wouldn't collect water...much to learn...

On Sunday morning, when we were leaving the Harbour we noticed a sailboat speeding towards us at great speed, throwing off a lot of spray from her bow and we wondered what the heck kind of boat it might be as we hadn't seen anything else like it until that point. Sure enough, it was another Mac! I didn't catch the name of the boat but I think it was flying an American flag. We waved as it passed, but it seemed to be in a hurry so we didn't try to chat. It will be nice to talk to some other Mac owners some day soon.

Sunday, we decided, would be the day to try our hands at some real sailing. We went around the south of Pender and headed up the east coast. The wind was coming from the SE at around 8 knots. We sailed wing on wing for about 40 minutes at speeds too slow to register on my iphone before the wind died on us. One thing I learned is that you can hardly see anything in front of you wing on wing with a 150% genoa! We then motored up to the tip of North Pender where we saw plenty of sailboats catching some good wind and ripping along. It was a bit intimidating judging by the way that some boats were heeling over, but we decided to give it a try. The wind was shifted and coming from the SW on that side of the island. Things went well for a little while, but we were heeling over a bit too much as we were heading into the wind, and not having had much sailing experience, we had to let loose the sails a couple of times when things got a bit hairy for us. We had a bit of an embarrassing moment after we'd let the sails out and noticed that a BC ferry had rounded a corner and was speeding straight at us. We were able to bring the sails down and fire up the motor in plenty of time to get out of the way, but I'm sure we looked a bit silly out there as the other sailors were able to keep their boats sailing nicely in the channel without getting themselves run over by any ferries.

We tried sailing a few more times and were happy to see another Mac sailing on another tack, but the wind died down by mid afternoon and we wanted to get home in plenty of time to get back to the launch and trailer home, so we motored the rest of the way back to our bay. Aside from a few mishaps, like spilling our cooler when heeled over, and snapping the motor oil cover off the motor when raising it, nothing serious went wrong. All in all, it was a fun little adventure and we learned a lot about our boat, but we also learned that there a lot of things we could do better, so I have a bunch of questions that I'm hoping other Mac owners can help us out with:

  • What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin? We found that we were constantly moving things from one pile to another because the thing we wanted was inevitably at the bottom of the container underneath the biggest pile. Yes, we did pack too much, thinking we'd rather have more food and stuff, rather than be left wanting, but in hind sight, better planning and less stuff would seem to be the better route. The storage areas are rather difficult to access as it involves moving cushions, sliding galleys out of the way and lifting storage lids. What's your system? What goes in which storage area? Do you have additional storage? Hanging cupboards or shelves?
  • A related question: How do you load/unload? I found it was easiest to set up a ladder off the side of the boat when on the trailer rather than boarding from the transom area. We left the cushions and covers in before loading, which we found to be a royal pain because we were constantly moving them out of the way to get at the storage.
  • Recommended coolers? How many coolers for a 3 day trip? (I like my beer cold)
  • What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board?
  • Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles?
  • Where do you store the mast raising system?
  • Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast?
  • Any other advice?
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Re: First Trip, questions for the veterans

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[quote="red_sky_at_night"

  • What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin? We found that we were constantly moving things from one pile to another because the thing we wanted was inevitably at the bottom of the container underneath the biggest pile. Yes, we did pack too much, thinking we'd rather have more food and stuff, rather than be left wanting, but in hind sight, better planning and less stuff would seem to be the better route. The storage areas are rather difficult to access as it involves moving cushions, sliding galleys out of the way and lifting storage lids. What's your system? What goes in which storage area? Do you have additional storage? Hanging cupboards or shelves?
  • I used to stay on the boat alot, so I had a hanging locker across the fore V berth which held clothes permanently -- - the V berth is also where bulky stuff was stored - - the clothing hid everything stored from view - - - the hanging locker was just made with a piece of rope strung across the top front of the V berth. [/color]
  • A related question: How do you load/unload? I found it was easiest to set up a ladder off the side of the boat when on the trailer rather than boarding from the transom area. We left the cushions and covers in before loading, which we found to be a royal pain because we were constantly moving them out of the way to get at the storage.
  • Recommended coolers? How many coolers for a 3 day trip? (I like my beer cold)
  • What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board?
  • Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles?
  • [color=#000000]One on the pedestal, one beneath the aft dinette seat, and the third on the port side near the fuse panel (but on the port side) I had AC outlets over the mirror (very handy there) beneath the aft dinette (next to the 12V), and a third on the port side at the bottom of the galley just above the floor[/color]
  • Where do you store the mast raising system?
  • [color=#000000]Actually, in the garage, but for your purposes in the V berth[/color]
  • Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast?
  • [color=#000000]No, but I've seen others do it and I see no problem with it - - - except - - - I like to SAIL[/color]
  • Any other advice?
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Have FUN be CAREFUL - - -you'll learn!

Rick :( :macm: less in Las Vegas
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Re: First Trip, questions for the veterans

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red_sky_at_night wrote:
  • What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin? We found that we were constantly moving things from one pile to another because the thing we wanted was inevitably at the bottom of the container underneath the biggest pile. Yes, we did pack too much, thinking we'd rather have more food and stuff, rather than be left wanting, but in hind sight, better planning and less stuff would seem to be the better route. The storage areas are rather difficult to access as it involves moving cushions, sliding galleys out of the way and lifting storage lids. What's your system? What goes in which storage area? Do you have additional storage? Hanging cupboards or shelves?
  • [color=#BF0000]Best storage soution I found were theses tubs from rubbrmaid which I stuck under all the seats and in the V berth storage area as well as 2 extra tubs which sail in the rear berth area 1 with dry food, food cans , cookies, coffee etc and the other with all the nic nacks I use regularly on the boat..ie pliers, screw drivers , rags, flare gun, etc. I got them at wall mart in a matching tan colour. http://www.rubbermaid.com/rubbermaid/product/product.jhtml?prodId=HPProd2934118[/color] [img]http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii128/manitoba1/2214_sm.jpg[/img]
  • A related question: How do you load/unload? I found it was easiest to set up a ladder off the side of the boat when on the trailer rather than boarding from the transom area. We left the cushions and covers in before loading, which we found to be a royal pain because we were constantly moving them out of the way to get at the storage.
  • Recommended coolers? How many coolers for a 3 day trip? (I like my beer cold)
  • [color=#BF0000]I use a 5 day cooler with a 1 gallon bottle of water..frozen and 1 blue gel freezer brick. I keep a second set of these in the marina freezer and they last 3 days with ice and 4 days keeping the contents in the cooler ...cool. It is sufficient for me at the moment but I think I will get an engel with the solar panels when I go to the Bahamas.[/color]
  • What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board?
  • [color=#BF0000]Am presently pricing a folding porta bote to replace my rubber dinghy.[/color]
  • Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles?
  • [color=#bf0000]In the Galley, the rear berth and the front berth[/color]
  • Where do you store the mast raising system?
  • [color=#bf0000]under the seats[/color]
  • Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast?
  • Any other advice?
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Welcome Aboard---what a great sailing venue :!:

Rather than sailing wing/wing for 40 mins, pick a course and gybe down on it with broad reaches. You'll get a better feel for the boat sailing on a heel. You can practice dumping your main with the traveller and alternating the amount of reach to speed up/down. It is also cooler as you will get a better sense of the wind.

Practice a hove to (heave to) until you can do it without thinking---best method for man overboard on Mac with a good electric start engine.

We use see thru laundry baskets and keep all our foul weather gear handy. I put the life vests in a basket on the rear berth and put it in the cockpit at night to keep the clutter down. All our food stuf goes in large see thru plastic zip lock bags under the bench seats.

Others will soon chime in with lots of suggestions. Check out the MOD sections-you'll spend hours there 8)

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Re: First Trip, questions for the veterans

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red_sky_at_night wrote:
....I had never set an anchor before, so I was a bit nervous, but everything went smoothly.......I don't have much to compare to, but it was a nice sheltered anchorage with a sandy bottom and not too busy.
The more you anchor, the more you'll have to compare to. Use your charts to know the bottom composition. We really like the 'Dreamspeaker' series of softcover books (don't recall the exact title, but there's 4 or 5 volumes, covering the San Juans, up to the Broughtons); expensive but worth it. They provide a lot of info for good anchoring spots.
Sunday, we decided, would be the day to try our hands at some real sailing. We went around the south of Pender and headed up the east coast. The wind was coming from the SE at around 8 knots. We sailed wing on wing for about 40 minutes at speeds too slow....
IIRC, Sunday a.m. had a strong ebb tide, so depending on when you were out, tides could have eaten up much of your progress. We caught Active Pass about 45 min. past slack and current was already close to 4 kn/h through there.
Things went well for a little while, but we were heeling over a bit too much as we were heading into the wind, and not having had much sailing experience, we had to let loose the sails a couple of times when things got a bit hairy for us. We had a bit of an embarrassing moment after we'd let the sails out and noticed that a BC ferry had rounded a corner and was speeding straight at us. We were able to bring the sails down and fire up the motor in plenty of time to get out of the way.....
It's perfectly okay to sail with the motor down (even idling in neutral) as you get to know your way around. Leave your motor steering linkage dis-connected so the weight stays off the helm -the rudders will get your bow pointed where you want it to. If you stall as you round a tack, just let it help you 'round. You don't want to let yourself get into a position of being in the cross hairs of the ferry, but nothing wrong with helping yourself out with a couple knots of 'iron lung' to clear yourself of the area -no need to drop the sails for that and once you've taken yourself out of it's course, drop it back out of gear and continue on with enjoying the sailing.

  • What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin? We found that we were constantly moving things from one pile to another because the thing we wanted was inevitably at the bottom of the container underneath the biggest pile. Yes, we did pack too much, thinking we'd rather have more food and stuff, rather than be left wanting, but in hind sight, better planning and less stuff would seem to be the better route. The storage areas are rather difficult to access as it involves moving cushions, sliding galleys out of the way and lifting storage lids. What's your system? What goes in which storage area? Do you have additional storage? Hanging cupboards or shelves?
  • [color=#000000]Our first season, we did A LOT of shuffling around of stuff, but started to get a feel where best to stow different things. Rather than permanent hangers, lots of velcro & suction cups for hangers & holders. We've now found homes for most things and have made some more permanent fixtures.[/color]
  • Recommended coolers? How many coolers for a 3 day trip? (I like my beer cold)
  • [color=#000000]We use a West Marine cooler (stock BWY), the Admiral has started using a space blanket (the $1.99 survival foil type) and creates layers (flakes it like you do your mainsail). At 3 days our gallon of ice is still (almost) completely frozen.[/color]
  • What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board?
  • [color=#000000]we tow a Walker Bay Odessey 240AF. Tracks well on a bridle and has a 900 lbs+ load cap.[/color]
  • Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles?
  • Where do you store the mast raising system?
  • [color=#000000]at home, or in the truck, but we leave BoB in the water April-Oct. I know many just leave it in place (pinned in front of the mast) and just lash it to the mast if they're having to drop the mast again at the end of the day.[/color]
  • Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast?
  • Any other advice?
We'll still spend a couple weekends in the Gulf Islands before we pull BoB out, hope our paths cross.

Regards,
Shane
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Post by Russ »

Great to see you had fun on your first day/night out.

Anchoring isn't rocket science. Danforth style needs a 7 to 1 ratio to depth. Lower it to the bottom, don't toss it like yahoos do tangling the chain/line. Unless you are in some rocky or other type of bottom, a danforth will do pretty well in sand/mud bottom and you can sleep at night.
red_sky_at_night wrote:What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin? We found that we were constantly moving things from one pile to another because the thing we wanted was inevitably at the bottom of the container underneath the biggest pile.
That is a problem on a small boat like the Mac.
My wife is great at organizing. She found a shoe organizer and hung it in the head and put essentials in there.
Above the "galley" she put another like shoe organizer for kitchen stuffs. Under the seats we have totes that hold things and are labeled well. I should hire her out for organizing Macs. Check out Duanne's website for his organization chart. Amazing!
Yes, we did pack too much, thinking we'd rather have more food and stuff, rather than be left wanting, but in hind sight, better planning and less stuff would seem to be the better route.
Yup, there are not convenience stores at sea. We overpack as well.
The storage areas are rather difficult to access as it involves moving cushions, sliding galleys out of the way and lifting storage lids. What's your system?
This year we took out the cushion on the port side of the head and put the cooler there. Then we slide the galley forward and leave it there. Sliding galley sounds like a good idea, but not really.
]A related question: How do you load/unload? I found it was easiest to set up a ladder off the side of the boat when on the trailer rather than boarding from the transom area.
Well, we keep her in a slip, but loading is always easier for us on land.
What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board?
New this year is a West Marine 8' inflatable. It doesn't tow well and we're working on that. However, last year we just beached our Mac. The problem there is getting off the the bow. I think a big factor is the length of the tow line (painter) to ride the stern wave. I'm still learning on that one. Towing it really close and high seems to help, but there is that prop close by.
Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles?
We have one on the port side seat wall under the "slide galley" (installed by dealer) and have a "splitter" when we need outlets. Seems to work fine and it's a short run to the batteries. Maybe one on the pedestal would be good for stuff out there. 12V usage can drain batteries fast.
Where do you store the mast raising system?
Under the rear berth. Not much room under there for much else and it's hard to get to. So if I need the MRS, it's there.
Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast?
Nope. I like to sail when possible. But others do.

Any other advice?
We found cheap coolers don't hold ice. A good 5 or even 7 day cooler is best. For long (2 days) trips we use 2 coolers. The 5 day Coleman for food and the cheap Igloo cube for drinks. We'll be replacing the Igloo next year with a 5 day Igloo. We store the coolers on the floor when sailing, and next to the head when still.

Best purchase was our Magma propane grill. We've cooked beef to pizza on the thing. It's great, food tastes great and it's easy to "clean". We're still learning as well, but that's the fun of it all.

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Wow! Good for you. I'm a coward so chartered a 36' Beneteau to do
our first west coast exporation. We as well dropped into Bedwell.
Dinghy'd in and had a beer at the fancy resort and like you thought
maybe it wasn't for us. Would have chugged down to Medicine Beach
if I'd had our Mac but ended up staying at anchor.

I was impressed to see four or five Mac's during our week in the
Gulf Islands. Although they sure look small by coastal standards, if you
watch your weather and charts I think you should be OK out there.

I plan on dropping some lead in the keel (see Eric Hartle) and upgrading the
rigging this winter (Blanchard Marine, Sidney) before taking her Island
hopping.

We bought a sometimes place in Sidney for a jumping off point. Email
me re where you sail from and let's compare notes etc.

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Post by red_sky_at_night »

Wow, you folks on this site are great! Thanks for all the helpful info -- I'm taking notes and planning my next shopping trip.

My :mac19: friend told me what BOAT stands for -- $ Bring Out Another Thousand $. Pretty funny, but true. Good thing the Mac is such a bargain to begin with :)
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On storage - it does sound like you have way too much stuff. You can cull it down by looking at what you didnt use last trip and pitching stuff accordingly. Duane's website and equipment list is incredible as is the standard for organisation as far as I have ever seen on this Board, or anywhere for that matter.

One of the best space savers I did was to put 'floor' into the galley area to allow storage of stuff **without*** boxes or bins. This lets you pack things in much more efficiently. I just cut standard plywood and heavily varnished it and lay it on the floor of the galley. If you take the face off, you can put a single piece in that covers the whole floor (:macx: only)

On anchoring - last week I was on anchor on the fringe storm of Hurricane Bill with gusts up to 45 knots. There is no substitute for a good length (15-25 feet) of heavy chain on your anchor. This keeps the force on the rode horizontal on the anchor and prevents it from getting pulled up and out. Set your anchor with 10 seconds of motoring at 3000 rpm - if it stays firm under this thrust it wont be pulling out from weather. The biggest problem with my Bullwaga is getting out after the week on Cuttyhunk - I consider this a good thing!! (there is a trick to this too, of course). If your anchor fits into your 'anchor locker' it is too small imho. Rename that locker the 'chain locker' and put your anchor on the pulpit or better yet on a roller (comes with the :macm: of course)

For the storm, I set a second anchor at 120 degrees from the first (Fortress), set from the dinghy and ran out 125 feet of 3/8 inch rode. High tide depth was about 8 feet to the cleat, so my scope was something ridiculous like 15:1. Needless to say, I didnt move on either anchor.

Igloo coolers will hold ice for 4-5 days (ambient temp 80F) - we use one for meat and one for drinks. I have gotten it down to one cooler for 3 on a 5 day cruise. but that is tight. I keep one cooler in the :macx: locker (tub removed)

I have thought about putting hinges on the covers and may do that someday - they are a pain to throw around.

On dinhgys - I had a cheaper inflatable but got rid of it for a hardshell plastic Watertender 9.4 three seasons ago - great for the rocky NE coast venue - the kids can bang it up and it is indestructible. It is a pain to put on top of the VW van (100#) but I manage to do it singlehanded. When I overcome man disease, and get someone to give me a hand, it is easy.
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Red sky-

Congrats on your first outing!

Two books I'd recommend for ideas and answers on the questions you ask are: SAILING SMALL by Stan Grayson & SAILING BIG ON A SMALL SAILBOAT by Jerry Cardwell.

What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin?...

One clothing duffel bag per person. Bringing enough without being too much for varied conditions is the trick tho. What to pack for when / if the weather is hot, balmy, cool, cold, wet, windy, dinner ashore,... takes practice.
Hanging gear hammocks for frequent-use stuff. Gear totes in the basement (aft berth). One for foulies, spare throw cushions, one for tool kits & spares, one for everthing else that needs a place. One tote will do double duty as a shower basin for showering in the companionway. The head doubles as a utility closet - spare lines hang on a rack high behind the porta-potty. At-hand items like spare anchor & fenders reside in there too. Custom racking / cabinetry helps in the galley.


This is my current working mockup of my galley:
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Current working mockup of nav area: (Nav tools, chartbooks, cruising guides, electronics, flares,...)
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Magazine rack at dinette seat:
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How do you load/unload? Step stairs at the transom for loading at home.

Recommended coolers? I use the underseat Igloo & cube cooler. Block ice only lasts two days. I'm thinking about building my own super insulated cooler.

What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board? Walker Bay 9' inflatable. Nests perfectly while inflated on the bow between mast & pulpit. Haven't sailed with it there tho... just tow behind with a towing bridle.

Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles? Mine is at my nav station, near the battery.

Where do you store the mast raising system? In the basement (aft berth) port side, with paddle, furler support, & swim noodles.

Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast? I've had the mast off in my driveway, but not on the water.
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Post by Wetsocks »

great post, thanks for sharing red sky. ha ha... I know that feeling of feeling a little clumsy on the water very well! :)
I've had a picnic at that Pender beach too, it's a beautiful little spot.

and awesome answers too folks! This forum is such a fantastic resource, and a friendly one at that. I can't wait to find a Mac of my own and put all this great advice to use.
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* What kind of system do you have for storing things in the cabin?

We utilize every place possible to store things and every single thing in the boat has a place it belongs where it doesn't interfere with anything else. It took 2-3 years to come up with all this storage but we now enjoy clutter free trips. We are able to make long trips with 5 on board and still not go clutter crazy. The kids have learned the motto "A place for everything, and everything in it's place". Still, usually at some point once a day we spend 15 minutes putting things back in their places that didn't get returned after use. We have an advantage in that our boat is an X which has deeper under seat storage as well as a full lower liner which is easier to attach organizers to than the carpeted hull of an M is.

See these pages at my web site for many pictures both inside and out. You might get some ideas that will work in your M. You'll also see pictures of answers to more of your other questions.
http://home.comcast.net/~duane.dunn/ModsInterior.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~duane.dunn/ModsGalley.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~duane.dunn/ModsHead.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~duane.dunn/ModsCockpit.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~duane.dunn/ModsDeck.htm

See this link for our storage plan
http://home.comcast.net/~duane.dunn/storage.htm

* A related question: How do you load/unload?

At home or the launch we load and unload through the transom. We have a two step ladder that we always keep wherever the trailer is. Again the X has an advantage here as the transom opening is wider and has better access. On the water, in the early days we also used the transom but now have switched to the side for getting into and out of they dinghy using our "Fender Step".

Our side boarding fender step. Also the dinghy tow bridle at the yellow float and the tow line.
When on the trailer we don't have the blue BBQ table on the transom and enter and exit on the port side between the rudder and the motor.
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* Recommended coolers? How many coolers for a 3 day trip? (I like my beer cold)

We carry two coolers, a 52 qt 5 day cooler under the aft dinette seat for food storage, and a 48 qt cube cooler on the seat aft of the galley for drink storage. This easily serves our family of 5 even when away from ice and marina stores for 3-4 days.

* What kind of tender do you have and do you tow it or keep it on board?

We are very happy with our 10' inflatable floor dinghy. We used to have a smaller slat floor model but the inflatable floor is much better for our small boats and our's has 1200lbs capacity allowing the five of us and two dogs to all go to the beach together. At one point this past memorial day we even had 6 on board with the dogs and managed not to send the thing to the bottom. Be sure you get a foot pump that has the second high pressure chamber for topping up the floor so it is nice and hard.

It is stored rolled up on the bow across the forward windows just ahead of the mast and behind the hatch (see pictures below). Two SS caribiners on it's grab lines are clipped to the lifelines on each side and keep it secure when trailering or under way on the water. It also makes a good seat on the bow.

It can be unrolled and inflated in the space between the mast and the bow pulpit then tossed over the side. If we are on a leisurely trip without long distances to cover, once we inflate it, we do tow it using a towing bridle attached to the two side towing rings, never the center bow ring. We can tow at up to 12 knots without any problem. I adjust the length of the line (usually on the port aft cleat) so it rides nicely in the wake on a downward sloping wave. Towing the dinghy alone will knock about 3/4 or a knot off our speed. Towing with the 6hp motor on it will take over 1-1/2 knots of our speed so we never to that. The motor is stored on a trolling bracket on the starboard transom and is easily moved from there to the dinghy using a lifting arm on my aft arch. If we are going far or fast we will pull the dinghy back onto the bow and deflate it.

* Recommended locations for installing 12V receptacles?

We have 4 installed. One at the pedestal in the cockpit, one just inside the companionway on the starboard side in the upper head wall, one on the port side just forward of the galley, and one all the way forward in the starboard foot area of the forward dinette seat. This pretty much covers the entire boat with available 12v power for charging stuff.

* Where do you store the mast raising system?

We never remove it from the mast. The baby stays stay in place at all times, the mast raising pole is simply swung up vertical against the mast and bungeed just below the gooseneck. The line is coiled and bungeed as well. The X raising system is simpler than the M one with just a pole and a 4 part purchase block and tackle. The fixed winch of the M system may not make it possible to do this with a M. It also sounds like the M does not have the fixed deck mounts for the wire baby stays but requires lines to be run to the stanchion bases.

You can see the bungeed up ole and the baby stays in this picture.
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* Do you ever take out your Mac without the mast?

Yes, often. It takes the same amount of time to remove the mast at home as it does to raise it at the launch. For a short trip we often elect to simply be a power boat. It's nice to just pull up at the launch, put on the lines and fenders and drop the boat in just like all the normal boats. The one thing you leave home when you do this is the required steaming light on the front of the mast. If you are not under way at night it doesn't matter, but if you may be, you need that higher forward facing white light when under power. To address this I built a 5' tall powering mast with a light so I could be legal when out with the mast. It also fills the blank space and makes the boat look better when out without the mast.

Decked out for a party
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* Any other advice?

Just experiment and look at every boat you can for ideas. Over time you will come up with a system and equipment that works for how you use the boat.
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Re: First Trip, questions for the veterans

Post by SkiDeep2001 »

Duane, I really like your layout schematic. :) Now if I can adapt that to my motorhome and cabover camper my traveling life will be greatly improved :!: I'm just not sure where to put the extra kitchen sink :!: :wink: 8) Rob
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Re: First Trip, questions for the veterans

Post by red_sky_at_night »

This is planning genius, courtesy of Duane's fantastic site. This should be stickied on the forum for all new owners. Perhaps a newbie section with 'storage' and 'maintenance' sub-sections would be a good addition to this site, which is already an amazing resource for Mac owners...

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Even though the M is laid out differently, the above is a great guideline. After seeing the interior of the X, it seems that many of the changes for the M's layout are not for the better... I can't see myself sliding the galley much and the storage isn't big enough to fit a good sized cooler. Also, I would imagine that with the head located at midships in the X, there would be more room to maneuver. I'm not a big guy, but using the M's head is a struggle. Perhaps there are 'systems' for that too ;) The 90hp Tohatsu makes using the transom for access very difficult, so that appears to be another design modification for the worse. Not to say that I'm not extremely happy with my :macm:!

Guys here are pretty handy DIYers, great to see what you've come up with! Based on the numbers of :macx: s and :macm: s, it's surprising that there aren't more after market options custom made for the Mac.

There have been a lot of great tips so far. If Kelly's anchor held during Hurricane Bill, I should probably be able to sleep without worrying while anchored in a protected cove here among the Gulf Islands.

Based on the advice here, I've taken back my cheap dinghy and bought a proper Walker Bay 310 rigid air floor inflatable as tender (B.O.A.T.). Now to find a reasonable motor! (6hp is a bit pricey, 2.5 will probably do the job - B.O.A.T. - or I can just row for a while...)
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Re: First Trip, questions for the veterans

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For the most part we don't use the motor on the dinghy. It has spent many trips happily attached to it's bracket. On our recent 2 week trip we never used it (actually we never even used the dinghy). For most locations in the San Juans and Gulf Islands you will be able to row just fine, that's how we did it for years. Even anchored in heavy current such as inside Deception Pass you can row back and forth with no problem, just aim high leading the boat so to speak and drift down on it. The motor on the dinghy is really only used when we want to skoot around islands, say from one cove at Sucia to another for a hike, or buzzing around Princess Louisa Inlet. Just going back and forth to the shore rarely requires a motor. The motor has been good entertainment for the boys, they feel great when they graduate from rowing to using the motor.

I enjoy rowing, and a good dinghy with a inflatable keel rows just fine. It's also easier to pull into a shallow beach with oars than a motor.

Also get a long painter (different from the tow line which we leave attached to the boat) and a small anchor. You need to be able to tie the dinghy to a tree or log, particularly when the tide is coming in. With our 14' tide changes you can pull it up high and dry when you get out and in no time it will be back floating.

You don't want to have this view of your dinghy as we once did.

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I prefer to leave the tow line on the cleat and our nylon web towing bridle has a nice float to make it easy to grab as well as 2 SS snap hooks that clip onto the towing rings. I just use a ski rope as the tow line, you want one that floats to keep it out of the prop.

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Another dinghy accessory we like is one of these seat pad / storage bags.

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And a final very useful think to have here is at least one good pair of rubber boots (we have a pair for each person on board). It is rare to find a beach that drops off steep enough to pull into shore and get out without getting your feet wet. Usually someone always has to step in the water and then lift and pull the bow in closer. With all the shell and barnacles up here bare feet is not a good idea. Also usually any beach at half tide or lower will be mud and the boots are much better for walking in than normal shoes.
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