Rigging and Mast Raising
- Doug W
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Rigging and Mast Raising
This isn't the full 26X speedy rigging video but it shows how we currently rig and raise the mast on our 26M.
When rushing to just get on the water fast, it takes us 20-25 minutes. I am not sure I can go much faster.
Normally, we take our time and rig in about 35-40 minutes.
https://youtu.be/yIUrrjeZsnc
Doug & Angie (you can tell us apart on the video. She's the pretty one. I'm the purdy one.)
Galactica 26M
When rushing to just get on the water fast, it takes us 20-25 minutes. I am not sure I can go much faster.
Normally, we take our time and rig in about 35-40 minutes.
https://youtu.be/yIUrrjeZsnc
Doug & Angie (you can tell us apart on the video. She's the pretty one. I'm the purdy one.)
Galactica 26M
Last edited by Doug W on Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
Great video, Doug!
I will use some of these rigging mods for this season. I really like the idea of using a carabiner on the MRS.
I will use some of these rigging mods for this season. I really like the idea of using a carabiner on the MRS.
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
Just make sure they're strong enough. I calculate something like 350 lb max tension load on both the
and the
system, at the attachment points, but that's a static figure. Add some bouncing in there (impact), and you could be double or triple that. Most rigging equipment in the lifting world (hooks, chains, shackles, master links) is designed for 4:1 or more on rated capacity, depending on the item, and that's not a bad approach to use with something that could fall and kill someone. Like a mast. 
Just sayin', is all.
Just sayin', is all.
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
Can you tell us where you got them and what kind they are? I did a quick search on Amazon for "caribeaner stainless" and came up with nothing usable.RussMT wrote:I just bought some carabiners for my MRS.
Jeff
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H1 ... VFAYDI0NY7C Buchs wrote:Can you tell us where you got them and what kind they are? I did a quick search on Amazon for "caribeaner stainless" and came up with nothing usable.RussMT wrote:I just bought some carabiners for my MRS.
Jeff
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
Tom, you make a good point. Which is why I chose stainless steel vs. cheapo aluminum.Tomfoolery wrote:Just make sure they're strong enough. I calculate something like 350 lb max tension load on both theand the
system, at the attachment points, but that's a static figure. Add some bouncing in there (impact), and you could be double or triple that. Most rigging equipment in the lifting world (hooks, chains, shackles, master links) is designed for 4:1 or more on rated capacity, depending on the item, and that's not a bad approach to use with something that could fall and kill someone. Like a mast.
Just sayin', is all.
The seller on Amazon claims the weight limit is 44o lbs. Do you think this is sufficient? Should I trust the seller?
The side stays don't seem to take much weight. In fact, I try to keep the weight off them. However the main attachment point to the tang, that thing is like a piano string. Maybe best to not use them there.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H1 ... VFAYDI0NY7
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C Buchs
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
So Amazon wants me to spell carabiner correctly. Google Chrome has it underlined like I still have it wrong. Life is hard for creative spellersRussMT wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H1 ... VFAYDI0NY7C Buchs wrote:Can you tell us where you got them and what kind they are? I did a quick search on Amazon for "caribeaner stainless" and came up with nothing usable.RussMT wrote:I just bought some carabiners for my MRS.
Jeff
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
Maybe these snap shackles would be better https://shop.bwyachts.com/product-p/3445-1v0.htm
These don't seem to have a rating either. I've got one where my main sheet attaches to the helm. On an accidental jibe, mine has come loose, but there was a lot of shock load in that situation.
Harken has a max working load rating on theirs, but they're a lot more expensive
Jeff
These don't seem to have a rating either. I've got one where my main sheet attaches to the helm. On an accidental jibe, mine has come loose, but there was a lot of shock load in that situation.
Harken has a max working load rating on theirs, but they're a lot more expensive
Jeff
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
I would be reluctant to use them for the main load line myself. I'm a big chicken scratch, I know, but that's how it is.
But I would use them on the baby stays, if mine were that style.
I use a conventional 'anchor' shackle on both ends of my MRS, with the bottom one (to the deck eye strap) having a captive pin so I can't lose it. Takes only a few seconds to spin the pin in, so I never felt the need for a snap shackle or carabiner. The other end stays with the pole all the time, so no extra time there.
WM sells load rated carabiners, but the 3-1/8" version is around $35. Each. 450 lb SWL. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mar ... 60_002_003
A 1/4" SS anchor (style) shackle from WM has a 1000 lb SWL and is only $11. A little 3/16" version is only $5 and has a 650 lb SWL. They're claimed to have a 6:1 factor of safety. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mar ... ecordNum=9
I use a conventional 'anchor' shackle on both ends of my MRS, with the bottom one (to the deck eye strap) having a captive pin so I can't lose it. Takes only a few seconds to spin the pin in, so I never felt the need for a snap shackle or carabiner. The other end stays with the pole all the time, so no extra time there.
WM sells load rated carabiners, but the 3-1/8" version is around $35. Each. 450 lb SWL. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mar ... 60_002_003
A 1/4" SS anchor (style) shackle from WM has a 1000 lb SWL and is only $11. A little 3/16" version is only $5 and has a 650 lb SWL. They're claimed to have a 6:1 factor of safety. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mar ... ecordNum=9
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
Well, maybe it would be the easiest to fix some 8mm line at the end of the MRS stays (with cableties). The you fix it with a knot at the stanchion.
The advantage would be: Easy fix, easy release, easy adjust of the length, absorbing shock loads.
What's wrong with it?
Have to confess that I also use carabines. But it is not as easy to use as it looks. Often the stays gets to short and the you have to fiddle around.
The advantage would be: Easy fix, easy release, easy adjust of the length, absorbing shock loads.
What's wrong with it?
Have to confess that I also use carabines. But it is not as easy to use as it looks. Often the stays gets to short and the you have to fiddle around.
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
I noticed that also. Chrome (or was it Amazon) thinks carabiner is misspelled. I had to check several times to see if something was wrong with me.C Buchs wrote:
So Amazon wants me to spell carabiner correctly. Google Chrome has it underlined like I still have it wrong. Life is hard for creative spellers![]()
Jeff
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
I agree. I'm chicken also and don't want to see my mast come crashing down to save 5 seconds to turn a pin on a shackle.Tomfoolery wrote:I would be reluctant to use them for the main load line myself. I'm a big chicken scratch, I know, but that's how it is.But I would use them on the baby stays, if mine were that style.
The baby stays; I might use them there.
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
It's always interesting to watch someone else's improvised approach.Doug W wrote:This isn't the full 26X speedy rigging video but it shows how we currently rig and raise the mast on our 26M.
When rushing to just get on the water fast, it takes us 20-25 minutes. I am not sure I can go much faster.
Normally, we take our time and rig in about 35-40 minutes.
https://youtu.be/yIUrrjeZsnc
Doug & Angie (you can tell us apart on the video. She's the pretty one. I'm the purdy one.)
Galactica 26M Hull#2569
Suggestion: You might want to investigate a Johnson quick release lever, especially if you tension the stays with a Loos gauge.
- Doug W
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Re: Rigging and Mast Raising
That was one of my first thoughts when I first experimented with them. That is why my primary stainless steel carabineer has load rating over 500lbs. The smaller carabineer on the each baby stay have a 400lb capaicity but they shouldn't be taking the full load of the mast--well if I am doing things right!Tomfoolery wrote:Just make sure they're strong enough.
I also request anybody up on deck while the mast is going up or down to not stand directly below it if at all possible--but I did that with the original anchor bolts on the MRS too.
Doug
