In need of Venture / Macgregor 25 Keel Replacement

[nate8organic]

Any one have or know where i can get a v25 swinging keel replacement?
Original is completely rusted out at the pivot hole. i jabbed at it with a screw driver to find all that is rusted out to consider a repair but it seems she got cancer a long time ago.. We just got the boat and found this out the hard way. haha
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Nate

[kmclemore]

!	kmclemore:
	Nate, we don't allow duplicate posting. I'm leaving the posting in this thread as it's the most appropriate. I hope you get a response from the members. Kind regards, Kevin McLemore Administrator

[Bilgemaster]

Nate: Obviously, pix and measurements, if readily gotten, might be helpful, as would perhaps the exact model, year and maybe even hull number of your boat. If your swing keel truly seems unsalvageable, and the good folks at Blue Water Yachts cannot get you squared away somehow with an exact replacement, then aside from crafting a new one, you might either find a cheapo worn out "parts donor hull" of your model out there for outright purchase or maybe just a keel through a marine salvage yard. Barring these options, maybe you could modify a presumably more commonly-found 26S or 26X swing keel to suit with a grinder.

Sorry to hear of your woes...

[nate8organic]

!	kmclemore:
	Nate, we don't allow duplicate posting. I'm leaving the posting in this thread as it's the most appropriate. I hope you get a response from the members. Kind regards, Kevin McLemore Administrator

Hi Kevin, strange we cannot put a duplicate post in 2 different sections of the site, Perhaps if i re write it differently? seemed like it would be more helpful than in one spot. clearly not spamming here haha. but okay thanks for the info.

[nate8organic]

Nate: Obviously, pix and measurements, if readily gotten, might be helpful, as would perhaps the exact model, year and maybe even hull number of your boat. If your swing keel truly seems unsalvageable, and the good folks at Blue Water Yachts cannot get you squared away somehow with an exact replacement, then aside from crafting a new one, you might either find a cheapo worn out "parts donor hull" of your model out there for outright purchase or maybe just a keel through a marine salvage yard. Barring these options, maybe you could modify a presumably more commonly-found 26S or 26X swing keel to suit with a grinder.

Sorry to hear of your woes...

Hey thanks for the reply. The pics and measurements are all over the net i will drop a link.. as it says in the title its a venture 25 from the 1970's not sure the exact year. a macgregor 25 and venture 25 keel will work, the only thing they changed was the weight of the keel 8. pics will show you a cancer keel. the keel its self is not all that bad but up at the top where no one maintained it has melted away you could say. i tried to upload an image but cannot find a attachment option. I have the photos uploaded on another site i will included the link. i have been considered a repair as we are very handy and i know a local cast iron welding and repair shop about 25 min away but the keel has no strong iron left at the top and by the time we grind it all back inspect and attempt to fill/ reinforce i just dont think it will be worth the time/cost and will still end up with a sub par repair vs a used in good condition that i can then install a bushing and either cover with bottom paint or a quick epoxy and glass cover then bottom paint for a much longer life. I am sure blue water yachts has one, price is $700 range + shipping from Washington to so cal. could almost buy a full boat for that around here. I have also considered finding a donor hull with parts to pull, have to keep my eye out tho. i had someone else mention the salvage yard to pull one from and that i do like the idea of. need to call around in the area.

Thanks for the input.

Keel photo/dimensions
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner ... ods-5.html

my keels photos
https://forums.sailboatowners.com/index ... st-1397941

[kmclemore]

!	kmclemore:
	Nate, we don't allow duplicate posting. I'm leaving the posting in this thread as it's the most appropriate. I hope you get a response from the members. Kind regards, Kevin McLemore Administrator

Hi Kevin, strange we cannot put a duplicate post in 2 different sections of the site, Perhaps if i re write it differently? seemed like it would be more helpful than in one spot. clearly not spamming here haha. but okay thanks for the info.

Yeah, I'm afraid that's the deal. It makes responding a real mess in terms of following the discussion. One place makes it easier not only now but for the future... remember, these posts remain here for decades! (i.e. this ain't Facebook!)

[Seapup]

What location? Complete boat listed today in my local classifieds for $500.


https://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/d/86 ... 88838.html

[nate8organic]

!	kmclemore:
	Nate, we don't allow duplicate posting. I'm leaving the posting in this thread as it's the most appropriate. I hope you get a response from the members. Kind regards, Kevin McLemore Administrator

Hi Kevin, strange we cannot put a duplicate post in 2 different sections of the site, Perhaps if i re write it differently? seemed like it would be more helpful than in one spot. clearly not spamming here haha. but okay thanks for the info.

Yeah, I'm afraid that's the deal. It makes responding a real mess in terms of following the discussion. One place makes it easier not only now but for the future... remember, these posts remain here for decades! (i.e. this ain't Facebook!)

Roger that. not much of a facebook user my self

[nate8organic]

What location? Complete boat listed today in my local classifieds for $500.


https://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/d/86 ... 88838.html

California, these come around now and then in my area sometimes more, trouble is finding one without a bad keel, everything here is warm salt water sat.

[Bilgemaster]

From your other posting at https://forums.sailboatowners.com/index ... st-1397941, I see that you've got a line on one in Oklahoma. At least it'll likely have been a stranger to the salty stuff. That's quite a haul from LA, but it's not like the Southwest is totally bereft of scenic and other vacation virtues if you're willing to get off the interstate. If you were to tug your Mac along with you, and maybe do the swap in OK, I could think of worse places to be on a boat for a week or so than New Mexico's Elephant Butte Lake State Park. About 40 miles long and plenty deep, I'll confess it's one of my personal favorite places on earth, and I've been around more than most. New Mexico's state parks really treat their visitors right--all gleaming stainless steel fixtures, spotless showers, and everything "just so." By contrast, Texas state park campgrounds tend to resemble the sets from Grapes of Wrath and seem to all be staffed by turkey buzzards with severe eczema. You feel like you need a tetanus shot after staying in one.

Still, that's a long haul with more than a few mountains between you and Tulsa, so your tow beast and trailer'd both need to be tip-top for that sort of fun and games. Alternatively, if you cannot scare up a more local source, you might try getting a few bids on Uship for delivery of the beast. Some "dead-header" coming light from Tulsa to the coast might just surprise you with a door-to-door bargain. Won't cost you nothing to ask for bids.

I'd be remiss if I didn't give a little well-deserved tip o' the hat to Sumner, who provided those online diagrams of those various swing keels of yore linked to in an earlier posting to this thread. The man's an international treasure for Mac, Venture and Tattoo owners of all stripes. I mean, it's not like everyone is investing the time, effort and expense to make thoroughly-detailed diagrams of a variety of swing-keels that haven't been made in near half a century freely available online, right?

[Sumner]

... I mean, it's not like everyone is investing the time, effort and expense to make thoroughly-detailed diagrams of a variety of swing-keels that haven't been made in near half a century freely available online, right?

Just so there is no misunderstanding those are not my drawings but ones I found and posted...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner ... index.html

If the person that did do the drawings sees this I would love to give them credit,

Sumner

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The MacGregor 26-S

The Endeavour 37

Trips to Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Canada, Florida

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[nate8organic]

From your other posting at https://forums.sailboatowners.com/index ... st-1397941, I see that you've got a line on one in Oklahoma. At least it'll likely have been a stranger to the salty stuff. That's quite a haul from LA, but it's not like the Southwest is totally bereft of scenic and other vacation virtues if you're willing to get off the interstate. If you were to tug your Mac along with you, and maybe do the swap in OK, I could think of worse places to be on a boat for a week or so than New Mexico's Elephant Butte Lake State Park. About 40 miles long and plenty deep, I'll confess it's one of my personal favorite places on earth, and I've been around more than most. New Mexico's state parks really treat their visitors right--all gleaming stainless steel fixtures, spotless showers, and everything "just so." By contrast, Texas state park campgrounds tend to resemble the sets from Grapes of Wrath and seem to all be staffed by turkey buzzards with severe eczema. You feel like you need a tetanus shot after staying in one.

Still, that's a long haul with more than a few mountains between you and Tulsa, so your tow beast and trailer'd both need to be tip-top for that sort of fun and games. Alternatively, if you cannot scare up a more local source, you might try getting a few bids on Uship for delivery of the beast. Some "dead-header" coming light from Tulsa to the coast might just surprise you with a door-to-door bargain. Won't cost you nothing to ask for bids.

I'd be remiss if I didn't give a little well-deserved tip o' the hat to Sumner, who provided those online diagrams of those various swing keels of yore linked to in an earlier posting to this thread. The man's an international treasure for Mac, Venture and Tattoo owners of all stripes. I mean, it's not like everyone is investing the time, effort and expense to make thoroughly-detailed diagrams of a variety of swing-keels that haven't been made in near half a century freely available online, right?

Yep not sure if i would do the long haul but price and time permitting. Thanks for those pointers on places to check out! I have gotten in touch with minneys and seeing if they have one in stock, waiting until Thursday when the kind lady is going to send me video of the keels they have in stock they don't keep them labeled as to what they came from. If they have one condition and price good i will most likely go for that as its the closest option. Fingers crossed that they have one in good condition haha.

Def agree about the bargain rates. i had my 05' 2500 hd crew cab long bed silverado delivered from Colorado to cali for $625. some quoted me over $1500 not sure if they had lost there minds or not hah.

I guess that's just the sailors way, help others for little to nothing in return other than the satisfaction that you helped another and possibly saved a boat from the salvage yard. I actually came across that finally a few weeks back. been nice to have on hand. Thanks for posting that around sumner! Also my brother and i noticed the drawing are stamped by the macgregor yacht corp so we wondered if someone didn't call him asking for the diagram, he drew it up on some white lined paper stamped it and sent/faxed it out. not sure who else would have the official mac yacht stamp.

[C Buchs]

I'd see what could be done to fix it. Take some pictures to a welding shop and see if they could do a repair. At least you'll have a price to compare your options.

Jeff

[Bilgemaster]

... I mean, it's not like everyone is investing the time, effort and expense to make thoroughly-detailed diagrams of a variety of swing-keels that haven't been made in near half a century freely available online, right?

Just so there is no misunderstanding those are not my drawings but ones I found and posted...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner ... index.html

If the person that did do the drawings sees this I would love to give them credit,

Sumner

Sure, I get it. They're old manufacturing design spec drawings from MacGregor that were faxed by them at some point to somebody, but YOU took the time to get 'em up on the Interwebs, where they'll help anybody, and for that you do deserve a bit of credit.

[nate8organic]

I'd see what could be done to fix it. Take some pictures to a welding shop and see if they could do a repair. At least you'll have a price to compare your options.

Jeff

I have fully considered this also and determined its not worth the time, and the keel is beyond repair. We do metal work and this thing has cancer once its really bad theirs no going back. if i could i would but cast iron is just not a good material to work with. not sure if you managed to see the photos over on the other site but worth a look if you want to know what i mean. I am going to most likely sand the replacement down and wrap it in epoxy and glass if i get fancy, otherwise it will just get a solid coat of bottom paint.