Making rudders

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Re: Making rudders

Post by whgoffrn » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am

Mine was drilled out larger and filled with resin and predrilled to fit bolt....but I'm sure that would work as well

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Re: Making rudders

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Re: Making rudders

Post by whgoffrn » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:13 pm

Beene u might want to consider the white oak rudders they are considerably stronger and 180 a piece ....however I'm curious what kind of conditions caused these to snap.....what wave size / duration and at what angle ? If u can please describe the sailing conditions that caused them to snap

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Re: Making rudders

Post by Ixneigh » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:35 am

Me too. How much weather helm does your boat have?
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Re: Making rudders

Post by Highlander » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:33 pm

Hi G
U really need to align those rudders tho all it requires is bending or straightening the tie rod connecting them together , I done it to mine yrs ago when I got the boat new they were way out of alignment , some guy,s have cut the tie rod in half & installed an adjuster & some have installed adjustable tie rod end ball joints

J :wink:

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Re: Making rudders

Post by Ixneigh » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:48 am

I sail mine a lot. And i sail in less than stellar conditions. I sail with the rudders in the horizontal position at times, with some care. Haven broken them yet.
I find the boat doesn't sail well with one rudder except in mild conditions. I have the ones I took off if someone needs a spare. But, they are painted blue. (To protect them from UV)
I also sail often with just the ruddrrs and no board. That must add more stress. Maybe you got a defective run?

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Re: Making rudders

Post by Ixneigh » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:31 pm

In the last few weeks I have been sheathing my new rudder blanks with 10 ounce cloth and some heavier glass at the rudder heads where the pivot pins are. I am upgrading to a fully bushed half inch bolt. Found some nice bronze bushings on Ebay. The fiberglass adds quite a bit of weight. It also takes a lot of time to do both sides and the edges.
I have though of a way to fix the rudder mounting weakness once and for all. However it requires a bit of cutting and glass work. I am hoping with custom brackets I'll try to have made next year, I won't have to resort to it. I'm putting dyneema running backs aboard this year. That will allow me to carry larger headsails in windier conditions than I previously felt comfortable with. If the stock brackets are going to give me any problems it will be apparent in short order I expect.

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Re: Making rudders

Post by kurz » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:25 am

here another idea for an emergency rudder system

https://www.steuereinheit-aussenborder.de/kaufen/

Could be heavier than the course keeper

http://www.course-keeper.com/index.htm

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Re: Making rudders

Post by RussMT » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:38 pm

Highlander wrote:Hi G
U really need to align those rudders tho all it requires is bending or straightening the tie rod connecting them together , I done it to mine yrs ago when I got the boat new they were way out of alignment , some guy,s have cut the tie rod in half & installed an adjuster & some have installed adjustable tie rod end ball joints

J :wink:
How do you do this?

I'm assuming just extend them straight out aft and measure the distance from the ends of the rudders. Is there more to this?

--Russ

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Re: Making rudders

Post by Danhux » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:20 pm

I looked at making a rudder after our little accident with the mailbox and decided to just buy one from BWY. I still had to drill the correct holes for the stop brackets but in the end it's probably better for us to have bought one. By the time I learn to do fiberglass work, buy all the material, make a mess of my garage screw it up a few times due to the learning curve, the $350 bucks wasn't so bad. I think next time I'll wait longer for my wife to guide me up the driveway instead of trying it blind and by myself.

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Re: Making rudders

Post by Y.B.Normal » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:28 pm

RussMT wrote:
Highlander wrote:Hi G
U really need to align those rudders tho all it requires is bending or straightening the tie rod connecting them together , I done it to mine yrs ago when I got the boat new they were way out of alignment , some guy,s have cut the tie rod in half & installed an adjuster & some have installed adjustable tie rod end ball joints

J :wink:
How do you do this?

I'm assuming just extend them straight out aft and measure the distance from the ends of the rudders. Is there more to this?

--Russ
I installed rod end bearings on treaded rod in the tie rods by welding nuts inside the steering tubes (tie rods). I then made sure the rudders and engine were 90* to the transom and the steering wheel was centered. I adjusted the rod ends until they matched up, then locked them up using lock nuts on the threaded rods.

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Re: Making rudders

Post by Highlander » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:04 pm

I don,t have a pic right now but I just bent the rod connecting the two rudders together so as two shorten it up as my rudders were pointing outward
hope this helps u out

J 8)

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Re: Making rudders

Post by RussMT » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:55 pm

I'm going to try to straighten mine. I don't have welding skilz so I'll do Highlanders bend method.

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