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How much rake? ....

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:05 pm
by Signaleer
... is too much?

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Mainsail will be about 1 foot lower on the boat.

(and yes, i think this is too much.)

Think I should sail her like this?

I will have to replace uppers and lowers for this new mast.

J24 Mast Spreaders. Mast off some catamaran.

Ed.

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:50 pm
by Signaleer
Actually, is this as bad as I thought?

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My image is not perfect... I'm not exactly beside it.

How bad would you call this?

Ed

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:15 pm
by Jimmyt
http://www.ne-ts.com/mac/xx/xx-211tuning.html

Ed,
2 to 4 degrees, according to the NETS gang. Maybe some of the experienced x sailers will chime in.

You’re probably going to want to get a better setup for determining the angle before you start dialing it in.

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:41 am
by sailboatmike
1 1/2 to 2 degrees I find good, however if you are a newer sailor 2 to 3 degrees which will cause the boat to round up easier if over powered. rounding up is preferable to getting knocked over and losing confidence

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:48 am
by Starscream
I think the only way to really tell is to get out and sail. Then fix the rake based on weather/lee helm. My X will round up early and often in gusty winds because the rig is raked backwards kind of like yours (can't really tell from pictures...). The boat is in my driveway right now, and I just adjusted the backstay and sidestays to lessen the rake, and now I have to get out there and fix the sagging furler. Not looking forward to that, but at least the second forestay that I installed a few years ago will hold the mast up while I make the adjustments.

It's a drag to do with the roller furler, since you have to access the turnbuckle inside the drum each time you want to make an adjustment.

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:43 am
by tlgibson97
Correct me if I'm wrong but the rake should be set with the angle in relation to the water. I had mine initially set referencing from the deck but my boat was very stern heavy at the time making the rake way too far aft. It wanted to round up with every puff and was a real chore to keep on track. I raked it more forward and the handling greatly improved.

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:48 am
by Tomfoolery
tlgibson97 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the rake should be set with the angle in relation to the water. I had mine initially set referencing from the deck but my boat was very stern heavy at the time making the rake way too far aft.
Yeah, the manual (as it were) shows rake set to the foredeck, but that assumes a certain attitude of the hull to the water.

Re: How much rake? ....

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:52 am
by Tomfoolery
Starscream wrote:It's a drag to do with the roller furler, since you have to access the turnbuckle inside the drum each time you want to make an adjustment.
But then, the only time I've ever messed with the forestay adjustment is when I first got the boat and replaced the forestay, and then again when I wasn't happy with the rake.

My highly technical and carefully engineered procedure is to adjust the rake with the forestay first, and then the tension with the upper and lower stays. Backstay is just an afterthought, in the case of the :macx: . 8)