The difference between jib and genoa cars?

richter372001 · Post by **richter372001** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:32 pm

Hi, all

I'm buying a 150 Genoa. Is it necessary to buy new cars for it? Do the jib cars not work for Genoa?

Thanks,
Srdjan

delevi · Post by **delevi** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:21 am

No, they don't. Not very well anyways. Jib cars only have lateral movement. They don't swivel by design to keep the sheet feeding straight back to the winch. The genoa cars need to swivel so the sheet can go forward to the winch. A set of genoa cars runs $60-$70.

Leon

Hardcrab · Post by **Hardcrab** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:59 am

However, jenny cars can work perfectly fine as jib cars, but not the reverse, as delvi points out.

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:01 am

Or EZ cleats from Bill of course.....

beene · Post by **beene** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:14 pm

I do not believe Roger sells the jib cars anymore. He just ships the Genny cars, whether you have a jib or a genny.

As for the EZ cleats.... DO NOT USE THEM!!!

I don't care who sells them....

They will bend, snap right off, the bolts will pull right out of their sockets, you name it, it will happen. As it has to me. Always use the winches.

I use mine now, just to raise and lower my bumpers..... for that.... they are great.

G

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:27 pm

beene wrote:I do not believe Roger sells the jib cars anymore. He just ships the Genny cars, whether you have a jib or a genny.
G

Yes, I heard the same thing from the dealer, glad I got a set of each, but I started out with a jib and got the genny later. Perhaps it because headsails are now an option and most elect for a genoa on a furler. If Roger no longer sells them I'd get them elsewhere but I'd get them.

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:31 pm

I love my EZs, especially with kids in the cockpit - it cuts down on the neck grabbing lines for them.

You've got to start sailing without hiking out, G....

beene · Post by **beene** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:49 pm

My EZ's were fine.... until I started sailing in winds over 25kts.

That is when they stared showing their...... shall we say... limitations.

As far as hiking out, if I didn't do that, she'd be rounding up all the time in those high winds.

But the good news is, which I am sure you will like, I finally got one of those fancy inflatable life vests. So I will be actually wearing a life jacket while hiking out/single handing/etc this summer.

G

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:01 pm

My EZ's were fine.... until I started sailing in winds over 25kts.

Cutting the hedges with the lawn mower again, Benson???

Post by **NiceAft** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:39 pm

G said:

But the good news is, which I am sure you will like, I finally got one of those fancy inflatable life vests. So I will be actually wearing a life jacket while hiking out/single handing/etc this summer.

Is that with, or without a tether

Also, how long a tether

Will you be dragged along behind the boat, or, dangling like a piece of meat, arms flailing

I seem to be in a noir mood

Ray

K9Kampers · Post by **K9Kampers** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:15 pm

Ray -

Would that be a Pinot noir mood?

Post by **NiceAft** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:18 pm

A red, feisty wine. Difficult to find a good example of. Yes, that would be me.

Ray

delevi · Post by **delevi** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:53 pm

My ez cleats didn't fail, probably because I didn't use them long enough for that to happen. There is no way to trim a sheet w/o the winch unless you're in really light winds. I don't like the idea of luffing up to trim the headsail... just aint right. Anyone want a pair of ez cleats real cheap

As for the genny cars, KH can sell you a pair. I'm sure BWY would too.

On edit: I don't think genny cars are the best thing if flying a jib. I'm sure they'll work, but the sheeting angle may be compromised due to the cars swiveling vs. the jib car which will only pivot on its axis but won't twist out to leeward. Should keep the clew at a better angle and provide a more direct feed of the sheet to the winch. Just my humble opinion... I haven't actually tried the genny cars on the jib track since I have a set of each.

Leon

johnnyonspot · Post by **johnnyonspot** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:22 pm

I've literally never had to use the advantage of a winch in order to trim my job sheets. I can imagine it might be different with a big genoa, but with my working job I can muscle it no problem. I just got some EZ cleats from Bill last December and hope to be able to use them sometime this year, if I don't sell my boat first. Anyone know anyone interested in a 1983 Mac 25... with unused EZ cleats?

Post by **NiceAft** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:28 am

I've also never used my winches for trimming the Genoa. In fact, I've never used my winches.

Ray

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The difference between jib and genoa cars?

The difference between jib and genoa cars?