12/120V Portable Refrigerator/ Freezers

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Re: 12/120V Portable Refrigerator/ Freezers

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AGM batteries are wet cells, Gel batteries are gel, not wet cells and require a Lower charger built for them.
Used both and 8 yrs ago the Gel was worth the try. Today the AGM's seem to outdo them unless you roll the boat 360 degrees.
There are a lot of new batteries out there but, you can't beat the 6volt golf cart Trojans for the price and long life.
Just make sure you have a charge on them. Those laying up for winter can have a 5-10 watt solar panel without a charge controller to keep those batteries fresh.
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BOAT wrote:Could be me that's confused, I thought I had a gel battery, and they suggested AGM or visa versa - I need to look at the stuff they wrote down so I can see what the facts are. :? I often get the facts mixed up :P I would be more inclined to think that I am wrong first - but I will check it out.
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Re: 12/120V Portable Refrigerator/ Freezers

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After our 8 months and 3043 mile cruise , I have decided in addition to our Engle freezer we need a refrigerator .
On the cruise we used two Yeti's under the table and a small Coleman in the stern for refrigerators . In these we kept milk , eggs , leftovers, condiments , drinks , etc .
Even though Yetis are advertised as keeping ice for 10 days , we found ourselves needing ice every 3 days . The Engle freezer generally stayed full of meat so there was little room for ice bottles .

By the fact that we plan to cruise our next cruise demasted , as a trawler , the engine will run every day and can help with the charging , so I am thinking a small 120 vac 'barsize' refridge , and add one more battery to the bank of two .
The only problem will be when we spend extended time at anchor .

Thoughts and suggestions , appreciated , but we are retired on a shoestring so please make them cheap suggestions ! :)
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Re: 12/120V Portable Refrigerator/ Freezers

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Check this out, I am thinking about this for mine.

EdgeStar Energy Star 3.1 Cu. Ft. http://www.bizrate.com/refrigerators/mi ... dge-combo/

Not that big of foot-print, not to heavy, and most importantly, inexpensive.
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Dometic CF-35 Refrigerator/Freezer
The original intent of this post has been changed and taken over by other ideas. Therefore, I have removed the original post questions.
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 ! kmclemore:
Chuck, we'd rather you had not removed that original post. I understand your intent (and perhaps some frustration), but for a later reader to understand the thread, particularly the early responses, it makes it very difficult.

Folks, I respectfully ask that you please don't delete posts unless they are deemed offensive or in some way against the forum rules.

Regards,
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I don't agree with deleting a post , either . Most topics evolve as this one has . Somebody looking for answers on refrigeration and powering it has a big thread to read up on the subject and what others have done


Anyway ,, The Igloo 3.2 is at Wal=Mart for $99.00 . I am thinking it will fit in my X between the galley and the steps , on top of the battery box .
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I obviously missed this thread and the deleting of the first post makes much of the discussion meaningless but the inevitable result of any discussion on 12v fridges gets around to batteries and charging.
The greatest misconception is that solar panels charge at the rated amps and the amount of time they contribute then that if you use x amount of amps you only need to put back in the same amount, all the above are similar to the discussion of how long is a piece of string.
After many years travelling and relying on battery power I have been proved wrong so many times it's just not funny, my conclusion is in part that batteries must be kept fully charged, batteries depending on type need much longer than what the discharge rate was than what the charger rate is supposed to be to recharge.
As for fridges again the variables are just so many that it is almost impossible to give a simple answer but I prefer a fridge that is capable of providing a rapid drop in temperature, of course this will mean a higher current draw but for a shorter time the manufacturers give an amp rating per 24 hr average but it is meaningless even if you have figures used to obtain that result as in practice especially on a boat the factors are constantly changing but the lower you want the temperature in the cabinet has a very non linear effect on the amps used and therefore the supply required.
Imho the only way to be safe is to have multiple methods of charging, good meters and good batteries capable of holding enough charge in the worst scenario but most importantly the ability to be flexible.
We use two house batteries of 100ah and still have the original start /house battery 55 ah? (2006)as a starting battery, we can charge from two 65w panels, a Christy 50 amp honda powered charger, a C-Tek 25 amp charger and of course the 20 odd amps from the Etek which is variable depending on revs, we also use a 2000w pure sine wave inverter to power the C-tek from the trucks 12v when travelling ensuring that when we pull up for the night on water or land we are fully charged at least once a day.
If we are anchored for a period we will charge with the Christy in the morning to get maximum draw from the batteries and rely on the panels to hopefully reach float by dusk, the time we run the Christy depends on what the usage is for the previous night, from memory the panels put in about 24 amps on a normal northern australia dry season day.
Edit only once this year did the Christy stall ie have over 50 amps battery draw, usually it was 32 amps dropping to about 8 prior to switching off, these are the best batteries we have used and being calcium have a quick charge rate when needed.http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4WDEXTREME-1 ... 4ac1de4400
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kmclemore wrote:
 ! kmclemore:
Chuck, we'd rather you had not removed that original post. I understand your intent (and perhaps some frustration), but for a later reader to understand the thread, particularly the early responses, it makes it very difficult.

Folks, I respectfully ask that you please don't delete posts unless they are deemed offensive or in some way against the forum rules.

Regards,
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Sorry about that, but the intent of my questions was lost along time ago. You can still get the info if you read the posts. I did not mean to cause problems. Will not do it again if my 78 year old brain remembers.

Kevin, if you still have info available, you may repost it.

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AGM batteries are wet cells, Gel batteries are gel, not wet cells and require a Lower charger built for them.
Caution....charging AGM as though they are wet cells will result in "cooking" them......as per GEL any "gassing" ie voltages above 14-14.2 depending on brand will result in capacity loss
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I don't agree with deleting a post , either . Most topics evolve as this one has . Somebody looking for answers on refrigeration and powering it has a big thread to read up on the subject and what others have done


Anyway ,, The Igloo 3.2 is at Wal=Mart for $99.00 . I am thinking it will fit in my X between the galley and the steps , on top of the battery box .
While on changing topic and fridges....

I put one of the small dorm fridges on my kilowatt meter and it was around 140w if I remember right and my 12v dometic cf is 60-90w depending on the compressor speed. If you already have one of the decent 5 day coolers which has way better insulation than a dorm fridge and most 12v fridges how about gutting a small 110v fridge and adapting it to a 5 day cooler (or diy fridge box like sumners)?

With good insulation I could guesstimate a less efficient compressor using similar total power to a pricey 12v cooler with poor insulation.
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On our cruise we learned that a 10 day Yeti was good for about 3 days . That a 3 day Coleman was good for overnight .
Yes , it was hot in southern Florida .

If we get an 110vac fridge we might need to keep a blanket over it , or add some insulation to the outside.

Price wise and space wise , a bar size fridge seems like our best option .
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chuck wrote:Kevin, if you still have info available, you may repost it.

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No, Chuck, it's gone. But thanks.
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On our cruise we learned that a 10 day Yeti was good for about 3 days . That a 3 day Coleman was good for overnight .
Yes , it was hot in southern Florida .

If we get an 110vac fridge we might need to keep a blanket over it , or add some insulation to the outside.

Price wise and space wise , a bar size fridge seems like our best option .

Price wise a bar fridge is good if you stay at a marina on shore power and only overnight occasionally, but for trips like you do I don't think it would be the answer. They have minimal insulation, so if you only get 3 days from a Yetti a bar fridge would probably run about 75% of the time, which would be easily over 200AH a day.
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chuck wrote:
Kevin, if you still have info available, you may repost it.

Chuck


No, Chuck, it's gone. But thanks.
Out of curiosity I checked the archives of the deep web (part of the 90% of the internet that is invisible to search engines), expecting to find an older version of this page. Older versions of web content can often be found here.

I was somewhat surprised to find that forum pages are not in the realm of what is crawler-archived by default, such as by the Wayback Machine website. They can be set up that way, but at an expense that exceeds the return. Similarly, an older version of the page is probably archived on the forum's server somewhere, but it's not worth the inconvenience to locate and retrieve it.

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Seapup wrote:
On our cruise we learned that a 10 day Yeti was good for about 3 days . That a 3 day Coleman was good for overnight .
Yes , it was hot in southern Florida .

If we get an 110vac fridge we might need to keep a blanket over it , or add some insulation to the outside.

Price wise and space wise , a bar size fridge seems like our best option .

Price wise a bar fridge is good if you stay at a marina on shore power and only overnight occasionally, but for trips like you do I don't think it would be the answer. They have minimal insulation, so if you only get 3 days from a Yetti a bar fridge would probably run about 75% of the time, which would be easily over 200AH a day.

This very true .
When the motor is on , I don't care how much it runs , but on the hook and on the batteries that would be a problem . A possible solution might be to fill the little freezer with ice bottles , then shut the fridge off at anchor and allow the ice bottles to release their cool .
I might could insulate the outside of it , then build a wooden cabinet around the insulated fridge .

I don't know if any of this would work , just trying to come up with an inexpensive fridge . 30 lbs of ice every three days was a problem as well as an expense .
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