Asymmetrical Spinnaker

[sirlandsalot]

I Love "the bag," I use it all the time now that I am comfortable with it, the best sail I have. I love the bright colours and the way it dances around in the wind, that is sailing. The performance down wind in light air is awesome. 800 bucks with a ATT sock from Macgregorowners.com on a 20% off sail. Great quality and I got to pick my sew pattern and colours. There is a 20% off sale right now until the end of this month. http://shop.macgregorowners.com/cu/detail-sails.php#


I changed to a 110 jib and the spin for down wind. I got rid of the Genoa as it does all but it does not do it all well. Since then, I spend a lot of time at haul speed in light wind.

I would like to do a set up with the Genoa and Jib like Highlander because I love using all sails and enjoy the experience of learning each one, but I think the jib/spin is best for the for pointing, storm sail options and downwind of course, not to mention "light wind" with the spin.

When I was shopping for the sail, I did find a used sail store on-line in California that had excellent stock of every type of used sail you can imagine. Unfortunately I can not remember the name. I saw several also pass through Ebay. You do not need the exact dimensions of the stock sail...just something roughly close, but preferably not much bigger. Mine is a tad larger than the stock, so I made sure the mast hound was as low as I could go without interfering with the jib mast hound. I made a cheap (under 50 bucks) pulpit which is not necessary but is a great improvement. My tack line is also run aft up the port side of the boat so I can REALLY play with hanging the sail out there...super fun.

Cheers

[dlandersson]

That was done by the PO - need a longer one for my genoa?

What can I buy ready-made?

12 ft telescopic whisker pole from Forespar. Long enough for the 110, but too short for the genoa. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/forespar- ... -l--111179 Spike or latch versions. But you need to mount a ring on the mast.

[Tomfoolery]

That was done by the PO - need a longer one for my genoa?

What can I buy ready-made?

12 ft telescopic whisker pole from Forespar. Long enough for the 110, but too short for the genoa. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/forespar- ... -l--111179 Spike or latch versions. But you need to mount a ring on the mast.

The rule of thumb I've always gone by is the whisker pole should be as long as the foot. The 110 has a foot length of 13-1/2 ft, and the genoa is 16 or 16-1/2 ft. No harm in using a shorter pole, but if it doesn't pole out as far as you'd like, a longer one is the order of the day.

[RobertB]

The whisker pole that makes sense on our boats is the ForeSpar 6-12 foot telescoping one. Lightweight, affordable, almost long enough. Then Matt has his swiss army boat hook

[Be Free]

What kind of whisker pole is it?

The only one I've owned was a line-control Forspar on a larger boat I no longer own. Wish I had kept it, but it was too big for the 110. Probably about right for the 150. Got it used for cheap, but new ones of that size and style are closing in on $1k.

It almost positive it is an older Forspar. Normally I would just step out the back door and check it out for you but the boat is about an hour away right now. I should be able get you a better answer later in the week.

[Highlander]

12 ft telescopic whisker pole from Forespar. Long enough for the 110, but too short for the genoa. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/forespar- ... -l--111179 Spike or latch versions. But you need to mount a ring on the mast.[/quote][/quote]
The rule of thumb I've always gone by is the whisker pole should be as long as the foot. The 110 has a foot length of 13-1/2 ft, and the genoa is 16 or 16-1/2 ft. No harm in using a shorter pole, but if it doesn't pole out as far as you'd like, a longer one is the order of the day.[/quote]

Tom
I use the W/M boat hook mod as a whisker pole on my Jib & I use the Forspar 6-12ft pole which is actually 6.5ft & extends to 13ft on my genny with no issues works just great , remember u r using these in light winds & require a bagged sail , not a fully extended extended sail , just need to hold it out there to catch some wind so need it bagged
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Notice in this video from Forespar that the sail is not pole out fully extended but pretty much bagged so as to catch wind allowing u to use ur 5-6oz sails in light wind remember Spinnakers for light wind r 3/4oz cloth
http://www.forespar.com/products/twist- ... fragment-4
J

[Highlander]

On a note also remember that the head sails or sail can be tightened up bagged less by just simply pulling back on "tightening" the sheet line if so desired !

J

[Ixneigh]

So suppose I wanted a removable bowsprit.

Would a section of carbon fiber tubing be stiff enough to require no bob stay?
I can make a socket strong enough to accept the inboard end of this and would use it for a cruising spinnaker.

Ix

[mastreb]

So suppose I wanted a removable bowsprit.

Would a section of carbon fiber tubing be stiff enough to require no bob stay?
I can make a socket strong enough to accept the inboard end of this and would use it for a cruising spinnaker.

Ix

Hi Ix,

Probably not. There's a lot force on the peak of the bow sprit. But a simple hound on the bowsprit shackled to a short stay that is itself shackled to the bow D-ring would do the job, and isn't hard to make. With shackles its as removable as the rest of the sprit.

[Judy B]

So suppose I wanted a removable bowsprit.

Would a section of carbon fiber tubing be stiff enough to require no bob stay?
I can make a socket strong enough to accept the inboard end of this and would use it for a cruising spinnaker.

Ix

Hi Ix,

Probably not. There's a lot force on the peak of the bow sprit. But a simple hound on the bowsprit shackled to a short stay that is itself shackled to the bow D-ring would do the job, and isn't hard to make. With shackles its as removable as the rest of the sprit.

Hi folks!

Long time no talk. (I've been busy, busy, busy getting ready for opening a new store.)

Selden sells ready made pole and they've done the engineering so they don't need a bob-stay. The mounting system is elegantly simple, and they can be retracted or removed in mere seconds. The complete kit, with everything you need to mount the pole costs about $530 for a 26M or X.

If you want to reverse engineer your own pole and mounting system, you can still get some good information on that page. Scroll down and see the results for figuring how long the unsupported length of the pole can be. Scroll down for the specs.

http://www.judybsails.com/ProductDetail ... e=SLD%2DBS

Judy B

[Judy B]

For a whisker pole, I usually suggest one that telescopes from 100 to 150% of the rig's J dimension. That always works well for the range 95% to 155% genoas, regardless of the foot length.
For a Mac26M, with a rig J of 9.67, that would be from about 9.7 feet to 14.75'.

Hope this helps.

Judy B

[Falcon6086]

Question with the A-Sym

If you do not have a bowsprit, then how and where do you connect the tack and where do you run the sheets to? One came with my boat but it has never been used so I am not sure about it.

Also what length do you use for the sheets?

If anyone has photos of the tack attachments that would be great

[kurz]

you connect to the anchor roller (with 40cm of rope) or to the railing.

[Ixneigh]

Thanks Judy

Haha carbon fiber adds another boat buck.

For as much as I'm apt to use this item I could probably tie a piece of aluminum tubing to the bow roller and catch the butt end on the windlass some how.

Ix

[Tomfoolery]

. . . that would be from about 9.7 feet to 14.75'.

Sounds like this boat hook (almost) fits the bill, as raw material at least. Though I don't know how good it would be in compression, as far as the twist-locks go.

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mari ... k--7784267