Roller furler question

[whgoffrn]

Does anyone know how to post a pic on here....something is wrong with my cdi furler and not sure I can describe it well enough but will try .... The black plastic part that spins inside the metal casing seperates and rides up the forestay about 6 inches ...which of course binds the furler line and then you can't roll in the jib ...its like the forestay is approx 6-9 inches too long??? Or I can't seem to figure how how the two peices of the cdi furler are held together since once spins and its connected to where it attaches to the bow of the boat.... When I pull the jib up I can slide it almost a foot up the stay and can see the adjustment but it's already pulled in 3/4 of the way....have I stretched the forestay or am I missing something ?

[extreem]

There should be a 3/16" pin that goes through the side of the side of drum assembly. It is about an inch from the top and should support the luff.

Download the manual from CDI websight, it will help alot...

[Starscream]

Maybe some of the info here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/399 ... ement.pptx

or here: http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... =8&t=24520

could be useful?

[Tomfoolery]

Does anyone know how to post a pic on here....

My quick-and-dirty go-to move is to upload to http://www.tinypic.com. No account, no identifying marks, and the site doesn't care who you are. Also no way to find the link again, unless you bookmark it or write it down (long, cryptic url, so not something you'd want to do - just bookmark it if you want to use it again).

Go to the site in the link, hit the 'browse' button, rummage around in your computer to find the photo you want to upload, click 'Open' (it doesn't actually open; it just picks it), click the green 'UPLOAD NOW!' button, answer the 'security' question if it asks (every other upload, it seems), then copy and paste the second line of the four lines it returns, which has the 'img' and '/img' at the ends. Left click to highlight it, and right click and hit 'copy' to copy it into the clipboard (assuming Windows).

Paste the whole line directly into your post (ctl-V or right-click 'paste'), and put a blank line before and after it for best readability. Click "Preview" to see what it looks like. It will be smaller than the original (if the original is large), and when you click on the image in your post, it'll either go to tinypic's site, or just show larger, assuming the uploaded image is large. Hit "Submit" to submit the post.

To see what the line of code looks like in my post, click 'quote' at the top-right of my post to see it without clothes.



Nothing to it. It's a lot quicker than the description.

[sailboatmike]

If the centerboard isnt all the way down on a swing keel boat you will be moving the center of effort back and this will cause the boat to turn down wind (I think my brain is pretty addled at the moment, its very early) and hence not point as it will be blown off the wind, also poor sail balance will do the same.

I find it strange that Roger Macgregor says that X and M's can be sailed only on the main alone, on most boats sailing on main alone will cause massive weather helm, however this gives some clue as to how the standard rig is setup,

When the wind gets up I find that I have to furl the jib to maintain sail balance as she tends to get lee helm.

IMHO a traveller would go a long way to helping maintain the sail balance of the X and give the boat better sailing characteristics

Now just to save my pennies to get a decent traveller system so I can mount it above the cabin hatch, they are just so expensive

[Tomfoolery]

I find it strange that Roger Macgregor says that X and M's can be sailed only on the main alone, on most boats sailing on main alone will cause massive weather helm, however this gives some clue as to how the standard rig is setup,

I've found that is sails quite nicely on the genoa alone, but not on the main or jib alone.
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Now just to save my pennies to get a decent traveller system so I can mount it above the cabin hatch, they are just so expensive[/quote]
Ever considered two main sheet systems to the coaming, at least for times when you'll be on a long tack and the fine-tuning of a traveler would be nice (but without the expense, or hardware in the way)?

[FlyboyTR]

Does anyone know how to post a pic on here....something is wrong with my cdi furler and not sure I can describe it well enough but will try .... The black plastic part that spins inside the metal casing seperates and rides up the forestay about 6 inches ...which of course binds the furler line and then you can't roll in the jib ...its like the forestay is approx 6-9 inches too long??? Or I can't seem to figure how how the two peices of the cdi furler are held together since once spins and its connected to where it attaches to the bow of the boat.... When I pull the jib up I can slide it almost a foot up the stay and can see the adjustment but it's already pulled in 3/4 of the way....have I stretched the forestay or am I missing something ?

I believe your problem is caused by the angle at which the sheet is pulling while it is unrolling. I have a FF2 and recently rebuilt everything including new forestay and added a Johnson Lever. The following is straight out of the FF2 manual.

"Furling & Reefing. When sailing reefed, you must move the jib leads forward to maintain the power sheet angle. Failure to do so will lead to poor sail shape and could also cause the furler to rise off the bearing.

If after adjusting the lead block forward you still experience the furler lifting up off the bearing, add a piece of PVC tubing over the stay between the halyard top fitting and mast. This will prevent the system from rising up too much. Leave about ¼” play between the halyard top fitting and tubing."

[whgoffrn]

[whgoffrn]

Ty for the tip on tiny pic....that is with the mast down but while sailing it rode up that high and I couldn't roll the jib in until I climbed up on the bow and shoved the whole thing back down then pulled roller furler line

[whgoffrn]

I did have the jib leads in the farthest back position but wasnt reefed....was going into the wind in maybe 12-15kt winds ... Is there supposed to be enough room for the whole furler to ride up the stay that far....I'd never noticed it do that ever before

[FlyboyTR]

I did have the jib leads in the farthest back position but wasn't reefed....was going into the wind in maybe 12-15kt winds ... Is there supposed to be enough room for the whole furler to ride up the stay that far....I'd never noticed it do that ever before

It will depend on how it is set up. If the sail and the sail track is a lot shorter than the forestay, there is a possibility it could ride up. But...due to the sheer weight of everything it should not ride up unless something is pulling the sail upwards....jib/genoa sheets not pulling at the correct angle. The pvc pipe is an easy fix. However, I would recommend dropping the mast and inspecting everything on the forestay, turnbuckle, clips, toggle bolts, etc... everything.

The pin that goes through the black part at the top of the furler has nothing to do with keeping the assembly from moving upwards. It is there as an anchor point for the halyard and down haul and to keep the sail track from sliding DOWN into the assembly. I can grab mine and pull it upwards (pulling the black part and the sail track) about 6" That is OK. To inspect the turnbuckle, you pull the pin that goes through the top of the black part and then slide the black part UP/over the sail track. Without that pin the sail track would slide down against the turnbuckle, possibly twist the carter key and either tighten or loosen the turnbuckle.

[whgoffrn]

Appreciate the info... Ok well if it can slide up a bit then I guess nothing is broke maybe I just need to have the sail tracks moved forward a bit so it pulls more down on it...ID just never noticed it do that before so thought I broke something

[FlyboyTR]

Appreciate the info... Ok well if it can slide up a bit then I guess nothing is broke maybe I just need to have the sail tracks moved forward a bit so it pulls more down on it...ID just never noticed it do that before so thought I broke something

You're welcome! Just to confirm...the pin is in place? when things slide upwards it is the sail, sail track and the black part of the furler? I would look real closely at all the angles between the sheet and the leech/foot. Cause....there is just no way it will just move upwards while rotating unless something is pulling it upwards. OR...there is something really strange going on inside...and I can't imagine what that would be...since this system on has such few parts.

[whgoffrn]

Yeah it's the whole damn thing ...sail sail track black piece the furler line rolls around.... It didn't do right when I rolled the jib out...I had been sailing for about two - three hours out on 2-3 ft seas with 12-15kt winds and decided to motor ...that's when I realized it had slid up was when I pulled on the furler line and it didn't roll in and seen the whole thing slid up the stay

[FlyboyTR]

Yeah it's the whole damn thing ...sail sail track black piece the furler line rolls around.... It didn't do right when I rolled the jib out...I had been sailing for about two - three hours out on 2-3 ft seas with 12-15kt winds and decided to motor ...that's when I realized it had slid up was when I pulled on the furler line and it didn't roll in and seen the whole thing slid up the stay

Yep... Start by checking what direction your pull is on your sheet.