New Mac / Tattoo 23Ft concept boat

[dlandersson]

Love the silver lining

On the plus side, the stopping of manufacture of the T26 has been positive in maintaining the value of the 26X and 26M models IMHO, if they dont like the price your selling yours for, let them go and buy a new one

[Signaleer]

This is interesting but it really simply replaces what we have now no?

I would think there could be some new features (that maybe are there, but I didn't see...)

Problems that should be addressed include...
-Mast raising - no matter what Eric does, its still too hard to raise the mast and have adequate head-stay tension
-Transferable water ballast
-I'd prefer dual lee-boards (I think) but there must be more lift created from the keel, its just not quite enough at low speeds with a boat of this much windage
-Fore/aft ballast (and possibly fuel)
-Range / Fuel
-Size of outboard
...
What else?

[sailboatmike]

The whole ballast / freeboard issue can be easily solved, I have about 5" of height that is taken up by the water ballast tanks.

If you 1/2 the amount of water ballast and get some weight into the keel you can drop the floor height by 2 inched and thus the freeboard, 2 inches doesnt sound much but every little bit helps.

So if you have 150kg (330lbs) of keel ballast down in the bottom of the keel you can reduce the water ballast by 275kg (600lbs) as its seems to work at around a 2 to 1 ratio of ballast in the bilge compared to ballast 4 feet below the boat.

Just for information 1 Cubic meter of water is 1000Kg (2200lbs) 1 Cubic meter of Aluminium is around 2600kg (5720lbs) so as you can see water is a poor ballast material because you need so much volume to make up the required weight, but it is free. Lead is over 11 times the density of water and Iron is just shy of 8 times.

This will make reducing the freeboard possible while still keeping standing headroom, improve the sailing characteristics as the boat will be substantially lighter and also make sailing in light conditions possible without any water ballast.

On the negative side, slightly heavier trailing weight and slightly slower under power,

However the 26M already has over 125kg of fixed ballast in the bilge so in reality its just putting the ballast in a place that it is twice as effective with minimal weight penalty

[miamistyle]

This is all getting real technical.

As far as this boat being the same as a 26m or 26 x - it is not. I think a few feet smaller is the perfect size.

As far as it being under powered - this thing with a 60hp on it would be faster than a 26m with a 60hp on it.

So does anyone know, How much are they asking for one of these?

[Catigale]

I wouldn't put a deposit down without seeing a business plan, cash flow, backing, and money in the bank. Even then, I would hold it in escrow.

If you don't do this you either have more money than me or don't care about money, either way don't listen.

I wish these guys the best but Roger made it look easy by making all the mistakes in the 70s and 80s. This is a brutal business to make a profit in.

[dlandersson]

Ditto

I wouldn't put a deposit down without seeing a business plan, cash flow, backing, and money in the bank. Even then, I would hold it in escrow.

If you don't do this you either have more money than me or don't care about money, either way don't listen.

I wish these guys the best but Roger made it look easy by making all the mistakes in the 70s and 80s. This is a brutal business to make a profit in.

[miamistyle]

I appreciate the warning, but that does not answer my question.

Maybe someone going to the boat show can answer: What is the price on the Ventura boat?

[sailboatmike]

I couldnt see a price or even an estimated price on their web site or in the video.

It may be VERY hard to sell something or even get interest if they are not being up front about price and delivery schedules.

Being made by West Wight Potter Im sure it wont be at the budget end of the market though

[TheSailingRode]

Have not heard the price yet, but I will talk with them while we are at the Annapolis show this week.

My brother knows the owner who is the manufacturer of the West Rite Potters. He recently shipped the molds to China and will manufacture all the boats there and ship globally. This is probably the only way to keep the costs down enough to make the business work.

- Steve

2010 26M
The Sailing Rode Podcast
http://www.thesailingrode.com

[Signaleer]

Have not heard the price yet, but I will talk with them while we are at the Annapolis show this week.

My brother knows the owner who is the manufacturer of the West Rite Potters. He recently shipped the molds to China and will manufacture all the boats there and ship globally. This is probably the only way to keep the costs down enough to make the business work.

- Steve

2010 26M
The Sailing Rode Podcast
http://www.thesailingrode.com

That's a bummer

We should all put some money in and start a company....

[Catigale]

Drove my the old Macgregor factory today. My 65 on order is still on the roof, and North Sails still active in the factory space.

Other than that, no boats

[dlandersson]

Not from nuttin', but I'd be more interested if they were made in the USA.

Chinese firms (new) can have a "don't give flll" once the product is sold. Remember the drywall problems some years back?

Have not heard the price yet, but I will talk with them while we are at the Annapolis show this week.

My brother knows the owner who is the manufacturer of the West Rite Potters. He recently shipped the molds to China and will manufacture all the boats there and ship globally. This is probably the only way to keep the costs down enough to make the business work.

- Steve

2010 26M
The Sailing Rode Podcast
http://www.thesailingrode.com

[miamistyle]

Not from nuttin', but I'd be more interested if they were made in the USA.

Chinese firms (new) can have a "don't give flll" once the product is sold. Remember the drywall problems some years back?

That is certainly a possibility. I would think who ever is selling them state-side would provide some warranty assurance. Please call Laura and get them cranking out so we won't have to worry about Chinese build/ durability issues.

Thanks!

[Catigale]

Isn't that a real bad photoshop on the website??

[1st Sail]

Sad to say the trailer sailor market may be in fact dead. Tattoo in one way or another outright inherited the trailer sailor market. There was significant brand and market awareness world wide. Tattoo even improved the product and yet no order volume. After Tattoo ceased to manufacture dealers still had inventory for some time. Irrespective of any financial obligations it is apparent there was not enough market to make a go of continuing. Regardless of why Tattoo chose to exit no other manufacturer has managed to stepped in. Builders like Catalina & Hunter certainly have the the productive capacity and technical skill to fill the void.

I don't recall anyone leaving for a smaller boat. If I recall most left due to age, illness, lack of use and a some moved up to a larger boat. There are 217 classified add on this site. Approx. 180 are boats for sail including a few new dealer boats. I spent 3 yrs looking for a Mac. Between 2003-2006 I don't recall there were more than 40-60 boats for sale on this site at any given time. Koenig's boat has been listed for longer than I can remember.

Maybe I'm missing something but with an absence of manufacturers and models coupled with a large used inventory it seems apparent this market segment is dead. It doesn't look like I will be moving up anytime soon. Perhaps just as well.