Help with measurements on 26M

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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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Globalhobo wrote:We are actually having an 1/8" plate bent at 90 degree angles on both sides and we'll through- bolt them to the angles. It will sit on the deck and provide a place for the base plate to land but will be easily removed so we can get to the db.
Sounds like a good plan. It won't take much to hold that plate, as it's just a shim. Just make sure the hardware you use won't interfere with the mast base (bolts sticking out and such). In fact, the extra hardware may be useful down the road for attaching a block, like for a spinnaker halyard. Big boats almost always have a series of connection points on each side at the base of the mast for just such a thing, in fact.
Globalhobo wrote:Do you have any random thoughts on compensating the rake and rigging due to the 1" difference and the plate under? Just drop the plumb Bob and try to get it 4" and tighten rigging accordingly, like Norco said, I suppose?
I don't know what the rake on the M boats is supposed to be, and the manual available on this site shows a diagonal measurement rather than an angle to the water line (the text refers to using a level to establish plumb, but the diagram shows geometry independent of boat level or mast plumb :? ), so all I would suggest is going with what other owners of that model have found to be satisfactory, like Norca. Adding 1/8" shim to a 5" footprint will tilt the mast about 1.4 degrees aft. My boat, by contrast, is supposed to have 4 degrees of rake, which is giant (and I don't have nearly that much).

But having the mast forward an inch won't change the rigging adjustment very much; the shrouds will be a little longer, and the forestay a little shorter, and should be well within the range of the adjusters and forestay turnbuckle. Due to the shallow angle of the forestay, moving the mast forward 1" results in about 1/2" shorter forestay, keeping the mast rake the same. Moving the mast base forward 1" but not changing the forestay length changes the mast rake about .25 deg.

In other words, I'd do what you're planning, and just tune the rig as if everything is everything. 8)
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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Not sure myself where I got the 4 inches from but the boat round up only if I press it hard and we are heeled waaay to much
so it seemm to work. I had read here on the forum how the mac round up in stroong winds, so I didn't use the factory setting ever.
I must have read it somewhere on rig tuning but that was 6 years ago.
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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here,s a pic of my mast base brkt as u can see there is very little if any taper to the footbase i will try to find a frontal view later & post it
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if u save this pic to ur computer u can blow it up to get a bigger view

J 8)
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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Norca wrote:Not sure myself where I got the 4 inches from but the boat round up only if I press it hard and we are heeled waaay to much
so it seemm to work. I had read here on the forum how the mac round up in stroong winds, so I didn't use the factory setting ever.
I must have read it somewhere on rig tuning but that was 6 years ago.
I talked to Todd at BWY today and he said it's more like 18" for a :macm: but that it really depends on what our boat does - so we just need to quit fretting and get it in the water (we hope to do that as soon as our plate is made). The 18" starting point was a huge relief to me because we tried tightening the forestay a TON (no more adjustment left) and could only get it to about 8". Phew!
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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Highlander wrote:here,s a pic of my mast base brkt as u can see there is very little if any taper to the footbase i will try to find a frontal view later & post it
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if u save this pic to ur computer u can blow it up to get a bigger view

J 8)
Thanks! I can see it clearly on my computer - it looks the same as mine. :)
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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Tomfoolery wrote:the manual available on this site shows a diagonal measurement rather than an angle to the water line (the text refers to using a level to establish plumb, but the diagram shows geometry independent of boat level or mast plumb :? . 8)
I know - it's been killing us trying to figure out the rake, etc. But after talking to Todd at BWY today, I feel so much better about it. We'll just get her in the water and see how it handles...and adjust from there. I'm tired of hanging my laundry on it, if we don't sail her soon I'm going to start potting trees in the cockpit, like people do with old toilets, etc.
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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If you compare the mounting position of your angles, it appears they are bolted 3/4" aft of where mine are - based on the front corner where the cabin top rolls up to the mast base platform. Your camera angle may be fooling me, but that appears to be one issue. If the "B" team installed your mast base hardware aft of the design location, that would produce the problem. You may want to consider moving the base hardware. If you decide to move it and need accurate measurements, I can go downstairs and get them for you. Just tell me what dimension you want. Good luck.
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Re: Help with measurements on 26M

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Globalhobo wrote:I talked to Todd at BWY today and he said it's more like 18" for a :macm: but that it really depends on what our boat does - so we just need to quit fretting and get it in the water (we hope to do that as soon as our plate is made). The 18" starting point was a huge relief to me because we tried tightening the forestay a TON (no more adjustment left) and could only get it to about 8". Phew!
If it makes you feel any better, the 4 degree recommended rake for the :macx: mast works out to just under 23-1/2" offset, and that's with a shorter 28 ft mast. It's also very noticeable in a marina, where it's raked far more than other sailboats, though I've straightened mine up a bit (to about 2.5 degrees) to reduce the tendency to round up, which may have been part of the original reasoning for specifying so much rake.

18" on the 30 ft :macm: mast is about 2.9 degrees rake, for the record. :wink:
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