whisker pole

[Neo]

Ok I have found a reasonable quality affordable Spinnaker Pole End but the cost of a track and Spinnaker Bullnose Ring Car is crazy!! .... So I'm curious to know if two or three Bullnose mounting points (like the one below) on the face of the mast would work? .... For example the 1st one at 1ft, 2nd one and 2.5ft, third one at 4ft.... In other words when you adjust the height of a whisker pole would a course adjustment (1.5ft) OK?

The reason I ask about the Curved Base Spinnaker Pole Rings is that it would be fairly easy (and cheap) to knock up something similar out of some Stainless steel components.

https://binksmarine.com.au/store/yacht- ... -base-rf30

[Highlander]

I don,t unstand why u would need 3-4 of these mounted on ur mast Most Mac owner,s like myself only have one mounted approx 43" up from the mast base , the clew of the head sail raises the further u put it out front & the poles do not ness. have to b perfectly vertical for flying a Genny or Jib downwind this is the set up I have used while poling out both my Genny & Jib at the same time downwind on my clipper rigged poling both out on the same mast ring

remember ur Genny & Jib r on a fixed tack & halyard not like Spinnaker,s or Drifter,s that have adj tack,s & head,s or free floating Tack,s & head,s so thay may have a need for an adjustable spinnaker pole

Just Sayin That,s All

but to each his own
I,m headin out to my boat now I,ll measure the exact height of mine & see if I can take a pic although she,s still all tarped up

J

[Tomfoolery]

I don,t unstand why u would need 3-4 of these mounted on ur mast

What John said. Add up the cost and you're getting close to the cost of a ring car and track, and those rings will get in the way of tarping the boat. If I had a ring on mine, I'd make it removable. Best way to do that is with a tee track and car. That, or I'd have to lay 2-bys on the mast to build it up so the ring doesn't poke through the tarp, which is what I do with the masthead (steaming) light, though those 2-bys also support the ribs of the tarp tent, which are screwed to the 2-bys.

I,m headin out to my boat now I,ll measure the exact height of mine & see if I can take a pic although she,s still all tarped up

All that time on your hands now that you're retired, and the boat's still tarped?

I peeked at the weather in BC, and it's looking a bit more early spring there than here, so there's that I suppose. But mine's coming home tomorrow (from the in-laws' RV parking spot at their house down the street), so let the fun begin. I've already emptied my stuff out of their garage, and all the cushions and sails out of their living room. My garage is kinda crowded now. All that's left is the boat.

And the water in Lake Ontario is really high right now - it's washing over the shores and the top of the ramp at my marina. Should make for easy launching.

[Neo]

Thanks guys..... So one fixed point ring, made removable, would do the job? .... I just need to find/establish that fixed point for my Jib and come up with a reasonable design .

[Highlander]

Tom
I have an appt May 29th to get my bottom treated with epoxy & an ablative coating,s for slipping in salt water as I only have a wax base on the hull now , they r all approx 6-8 wk,s behind schedule " Boat Yrds" due to the worst winter out here in 10yrs an apparently it,s my fault I brought the ONT. Winter out here with me LOL

The boat is tarped because I discovered that my Tempress cockpit slam hatches r leaking into my aft berths through the slam handles which fill up with water & leak like a sive when it rain,s . not a problem when the full enclosure is up . so I have e/m Tempress & ph. them & still waiting after 2 wks for a reply as to whether the cam latch one,s will solve my issue ?

In the mean time I,m up-dating my 120vlt hydro main box with a enclosed box as previously posted & installing an galvanic isolator. 2 new golf cart 6vlt batts. as house batt,s & now have to figure out where I,m gonna install my new start batt as I,m retaining my 3 battery bank,s , designing a new radar arch & 3 solar panels & controller & batt. monitor yet too install so yep I,m a tadd busy U might say but with now being retired there is no sudden urgency to get stuff done on a whole wk-end as I now have 7/24 @ my pleasure weather permitting lol

J

[Neo]

Hi Highlander,

I'm keen to know if you specifically cut a screw thread (paint roller handle thread) on the end of your hook pole?.... If you did, how did you achieve that?

All the best.
Neo

[Highlander]

Thanks guys..... So one fixed point ring, made removable, would do the job? .... I just need to find/establish that fixed point for my Jib and come up with a reasonable design .

this is what I have $27 US
https://newcontent.westmarine.com/conte ... 584104.jpg



Did u price one of these if u must have a track ! $140 US @ W/M but they might b cheaper @ Garhauer


J

[bwygirl]

We have installed whisker poles on many boats since 1988. The adjustable one we recommend is light weight and adjusts from 6' to 12'. On all but the 26M you will have one mounting bracket on the front of the mast. This is a nice way to keep the jib or genoa out when the wind is very light. This is for reaching and running sailing only. You don't need the adjustable mounting height with the mast mount on a slide, that is really used on spinnakers that are racing sails or symmetrical sails, not the asymmetrical ones we use. One thing to keep in mind is that as you head up wind you can only sheet in to that 90 degree mark, if you continue to sheet in you will break the mount. This is because as you continue upwind the end of the pole is brought farther and farther back but the end of the pole on the mast bracket is now going forward! The 26M with the rotating mast should use 2 mast fittings, both off center to each side of the mast. I hope this makes sense!

[Neo]

Hi Higlander,
Yes I priced up the car but in Australia I'd have to take out a 2nd Mortgage to afford one
Not sure what I'm going to do yet but one way or the other I want to go with your advice and make it a detachable solution.

One thing to keep in mind is that as you head up wind you can only sheet in to that 90 degree mark, if you continue to sheet in you will break the mount. This is because as you continue upwind the end of the pole is brought farther and farther back but the end of the pole on the mast bracket is now going forward! The 26M with the rotating mast should use 2 mast fittings, both off center to each side of the mast. I hope this makes sense!

Thanks bwygirl, This is great information and make perfect sense too .... But I didn't know I'd be able to use a Whisker when going upwind too??

[bwygirl]

You only use the spinnaker as a reaching and running sail, along with the pole as well.

[Tomfoolery]

The pole, used with the jib or genoa, merely holds the clew further out from the centerline, as the sheet both pulls back, and inward. The jib/genoa will take a shape, but it will be kinda squished (see below). In light air, with a little bit of wave or wake action, the jib/genoa will also collapse and maybe bill, and even get on the wrong side of the forestay.

The pole holds it out, and keeps it big (projected area is bigger, like a shadow would show). It also allows you to put the jib/genoa on the windward side, leaving the main more directly in the wind, and reducing the chances of it getting behind for an accidental jibe (and a preventer is a very good thing to use there).



But if you sheet it in, especially a big genoa, that pole will have to be shorter, and will be sticking straight out the side, or even backwards. And with the wind off the beam, you don't need it - it will stay full on its own, and sail shape and attitude can be controlled with the sheet and car position.

[grady]

I have the Forespar extendable wisker pole. They call out for this eye.

https://www.velasailingsupply.com/fores ... sker-pole/

It is small and no need to remove when not in use. It is out of the way. I have 2 mounted on the mast, one higer and one lower.

[vizwhiz]

But I didn't know I'd be able to use a Whisker when going upwind too??

I remember reading about, or watching an explanation about, using a shortened whisker pole when going upwind with larger foresails (or larger boats?) to keep the proper shape at the aft part of the sail. As we sheet in the jib, we tend to curl the leech of the foresail because we are pulling it in toward the boat more and toward the aft less. This curved shape or curl can interrupt the otherwise smooth airflow. Using the whisker pole allows you to pull the sail harder in toward the centerline of the boat without curling the trailing edge of the sail - the pole holds it out straight. Now I assume that it would be a smaller pole and/or specially made for this purpose maybe? And I have not seen this done in person, only recall it from something I read or watched. Maybe JudyB or others with much more experience than I have can verify this? Maybe Tom could draw it?

[Highlander]

I have the Forespar extendable wisker pole. They call out for this eye.

https://www.velasailingsupply.com/fores ... sker-pole/

It is small and no need to remove when not in use. It is out of the way. I have 2 mounted on the mast, one higer and one lower.

Grady my whisker pole came with the plastic ring but I opted to use a metal one , but after watching these vids from Forespar I might mount it & use it for my Spin or Drifter
http://www.forespar.com/whisker-poles.shtml

J

[Highlander]

Hi Highlander,

I'm keen to know if you specifically cut a screw thread (paint roller handle thread) on the end of your hook pole?.... If you did, how did you achieve that?

All the best.
Neo

Neo
the boat hook end & hook r both threaded as u can see in the pic it allows u to use a wash brush on it or in my case a cut-off paint roller handle as a whisker pole this is a mod that someone else posted in the mods section

u should check out the whisker pole vids on the Forespar site they r very interesting & some good idea,s

J