Carb rebuild/cleaning

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Bilgemaster
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Re: Carb rebuild/cleaning

Post by Bilgemaster »

Thanks! This is turning out to be a very helpful thread. Like 'Tomfoolery' I'm a little surprised to hear that SeaFoam might be anything but entirely salubrious for clearing out those cruds in the fuel system, carb(s) and jets, especially of old ethanol snots. The "SeaFoam Shock Treatment" of dumping maybe half a can of the stuff into the fuel tank of a motorcycle after a long winter's layup or as part of a resurrection after a much longer hibernation is sort of standard operating procedure among many bikers. Though some do prefer the Techron brand of fuel system cleaner. Still, an initial "overdose" in the fuel followed by a few more measured applications at subsequent fill ups has at least seemed to acceptably sort out many a gunked up bike running poorly after a longish snooze, and without needing to yank the carb(s) apart.

In my :macx:'s Honda BF50A, which I presume must be its original 2001 engine, at the end of the season I drain the carb bowls as per the Service Manual, which is quite easy to do. I then empty the fuel tanks and use the remaining fuel in my other vehicles. About the fuel: In my marine and other smaller engines (lawnmower, generators, motorcycles) I make a special half hour run down two counties south to get some ethanol-free 89 octane there in supposedly "rural" Fredericksburg, Virginia, where they're allowed to sell "the good stuff" by the EPA at the pump. Every time I make such a fuel run I make sure and let my congressman and both senators know how much of a fuel-wasteful pain in the ass it is to have to do this to get fuel that won't harm my engines just because every nitwit with Presidential aspirations, or who's ever ordered pyjamas with the Presidential Seal off Etsy, feels obliged to stroke off the Iowa Caucuses while reciting "The Ethanol Pledge" to get enough wind in their sails to make it to the New Hampshire Primary. Ethanol is the Devil best avoided. To find corn-spew-free fuel near you, check out https://www.pure-gas.org/.

As well as a splash of SeaFoam at the outset of the season to the ethanol-free fuel on my Mac I add StāBil 360 Marine as per directions. I might also add an ounce of two of Marvel Mystery Oil at subsequent topoffs. Knock wood, my Honda has seemed pretty happy with this regimen.

As far as managing fuel transfers and such, I have found this battery-powered fuel transfer pump for under $10 from Harbor Freight very useful: https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-o ... 63847.html
adudinsk
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Re: Carb rebuild/cleaning

Post by adudinsk »

if your running carbs, you should set/check the vacuum on each. You will need a special set of gauges.. ($80-100)
Its easy to do .. unscrew the test screws on the intake..
Screw in the hose for the gauge..
the service manual tells how close they need to be.. ie +/- a certain amount across all.
so you play with the carb adjust.. screw for idle on each.. no biggie.
takes about 20-45 min of goofing around.
This was done yearly on carb'ed motorcycles..back in the day.
Lots of youtube videos..
I dreaded it at first..
but rebuilding the carbs.. is now not at all daunting.
(just a pain to disassemble.. could be prob done in 1 full day.. tear down.. rebuild... reinstall)
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Re: Carb rebuild/cleaning

Post by adudinsk »

I would start with a carb rebuild kit..
No tools needed.. screwdriver.. etc.. simple.
Then if you have an EPA carb, the mix jet is plugged... so you cannot touch it.
After years.. you NEED to touch it..
SO you take a drill.. (tiny) and drill a hole in the cap. (If yours is an EPA carb)
I used wine cork screw.. and flicked it off (it was brass)
Then you can access the "sealed" needle valve.
After you clean it all..
change all the o rings.. gaskets..
the needle valve on the float..
you have to align the float (see service manual) I used a digital caliper that cost me $30.
Blast it all out with Carb cleaner spray...

Put it all back.
see how she runs.
do the best to fine tune the mix jet that was sealed. (+/- 1/2 a turn for each .. if it runs smooth.. leave it)

Then when its as good as you can get.. check the vacuum..what a set of gauges.
Mine cost $80...or so.. plus shipping etc..
Its this set.. but I bought it elsewhere for WAY WAY less $$

https://fortnine.ca/en/bikemaster-carbu ... O5EALw_wcB

There are electronic ones.. (more $$$$) there are mercury ones.. (dont suck any into the carb! touchy to work with.. mercury is frowned upon)
But if you want gauges for EACH carb.. I have 4.. so I got a pack with 4 gauges..
Idle to 1000
pick one carb... adjust all others to match that vacuum..
adjust idle.. repeat..
(ie goof around till its within spec) not hard.
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Re: Carb rebuild/cleaning

Post by adudinsk »

Start by cleaning/ and or rebuilding the carbs.. if you open them up.. and they are all dirty inside.. you might want to change out the gaskets.. o rings..etc. (verify that you can get the rebuild kit in reasonable time)
Most often you can clean everything easy enough

Put it all back.. adjust the fuel/air as per the shop manual... (mine was gently seat the jets.. back off 2 1/2 turns)
If it idles ok.. leave it.

If it runs...rrrrrrrrrr...cough...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..cough..rrrrrr
Or surges rpms up.. down... at low idle.
Wide open throttle .. you should have no issues.. as its "wide open"
Remember carbs/jets do wear out over time.. so even if you have paint on all the idles.. and its not cracked.. it could very well still need to be synced.
(result of syncing.. smooooth...better mpg)

prob the sync is out.

Then you need a gauge.
about $100 for a decent set..
If your fuel/air jet is sealed.. you need to remove the plug.. or you can never remove it/clean it..etc.
(carefully drill a hole in the brass cover.. and pull it out.. LOTS of you tube videos... )
I will be at the boat possibly today.. will take photos.

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