Aya 16
I believe you have presented all options as a First Officer and candidate for Moderator
LOUIS B HOLUB
The Pictures were posted to bestow credibility to the fact that both X and M owners need expend a similar effort to disconnect/connect the outboard engine centering lock and tilt up the obm. I posted the pictures of the Water Valve (Some of those remote valve actuators look interesting) to infer the effort to disconnectand connect the outboard steering is similar to opening and closing the Water ballast Valve.
I also was attempting to make a similar inference to those intimating the difficulties of going forward to hank on the head sail or change it, while they have to go forward to set the jib sheet lead with the blocks on their Jib tracks to power up or down. At that time there was the option during discussion to bring up a case for adjustable Jib leads, but I did not want to set off the Race Card in discussing the performance benefits and simplicity of the bare head stay.
Catigale
I love the Distillation Process and I am in full agreement with Sloop.
As to Your Refinements:
1) Agreeably held.
2) Well OK! But, Terry used his GPS and Paddle Wheel Boat speed indicator (Paddle Wheel is the best to show instantaneous changes in boat speed)
Ill take a beating for this last post:
Moe
Are you feeling some insecurity by posting a voyage of your imagination? I doubt any Mac owners would consider sailing with your generator lying loose in the cockpit. We have discussed the eminent Danger from exhaust of the little killer youve posted in your picture. The Mac X is very susceptible to Carbon-Monoxide Poisoning with its cockpit floor directly open to the cabin. Placing and Running a generator in the Cockpit of any boat and especially the X cockpit is a Preventable Accident waiting to happen. Youre way to big to fit between the seats on the floor in that cockpit, let alone kneel down and reach over anything bigger than your next meal.
The Honesty of the X Boat Owner was as stated: Referring to His Straightforward Manner
Disconnecting Engine Linkage
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aya16
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They theirs, you may have stepped a little over the line with the girth post.
Moe was very carefull in his posts on this thread and didnt deserve the shot in my opinion. Now you know you were going to take heat for that you even stated it in your own post.
Heres your heat
try to play well with others.
wantabemoderator Mike
Moe was very carefull in his posts on this thread and didnt deserve the shot in my opinion. Now you know you were going to take heat for that you even stated it in your own post.
Heres your heat
try to play well with others.
wantabemoderator Mike
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They Theirs
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Another View of the M steering disconnects and lock pin, also the clean Back Porch of the M
Full Story on the Disconnect
M Model Enhancement
Full Story on the Disconnect
M Model Enhancement
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Scott
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Wow, I missed all the fun ignoring this thread for a week or 2. I dont like the jibes unless they are meant in fun. More to the point, I agree with Bill, frank and chip mostly, I think it is irrelevent in most if not all instances excepting maybe 1/2 mph wind and SOG under 1 knot. At this point though it is time to drop the anchor and swim or drop the motor anyway and make a beeline for the bar.
Speaking of the bar,
Bill Said
Do you disconnect the glass vessel before drinking your sushi or does that slow down your consumption as readable on the gps, not taking into account the averaging that happens. And exactly what is the Valerie Bertanelli effect. Is that where she sucks Van Halens bank account dry and makes them fire David lee Roth in favor of Sammy Hagar???
Speaking of the bar,
Bill Said
Not yet.
I'm working on a quick-diconnect if you are hooked up to shore power.
Threaded rod, tinned wire, ball joints, epoxy, silicone, lexan, bungy cord, remote control, high and low speed switches, LED's, manual override, PETA OSHA and UL approval, childproof lid, Tsunami proof, battery backup, etc.
The biggest obstacle is the Bernouli effect on the fish south of the equator but I'm working on this.
Do you disconnect the glass vessel before drinking your sushi or does that slow down your consumption as readable on the gps, not taking into account the averaging that happens. And exactly what is the Valerie Bertanelli effect. Is that where she sucks Van Halens bank account dry and makes them fire David lee Roth in favor of Sammy Hagar???
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With the very limited space in the back of the Mac M (motorwell) I found it to be just about right for entering and exiting the dingy while on a mooring. It looks to be to small to be any use in this manner, but really is very decent. As you start to exit the boat the you find that the motor and the side of the boat are close enough to give you some support best when there is a swell. standing on the ladder side of the motor you can sit right on top of the motor swing your legs over the back and your feet are flat on the floor of the dingy. same when getting back in the boat, stand up in the dingy and sit on the motor and just swing into the Mac. What happened when Mac made the motorwell as oposed to the X well was the berth inside became more usefull. No longer does one have to use the v berth as the main bed. Everything is a trade off but you find a way to adapt and sometimes it just works out. I dont use the well to enter or exit the boat at a dock. I just go over the side. Some have ladders here
and im still debating this in my mind for me.
Even with a ladder I will still use the well to board and exit the boat into a dingy, it perfect for me so as far as a larger well in the back I dont need it.
On the helm seat for the X being flat and the M hump not sure what would be better. I think the flat would work and if I wanted to sit higher you can always put something there to sit on. But the hump does give you more storage under it for things like fenders but nothing heavy as the thing comes down with a finger breaking thump if you dont control it as it is.
The M is a pretty boat, looks nice under sail and motors very well, with very little spray reaching the cockpit in normal seas at speed. She is high
but in a way that gives the crew a seperation from boat and water and helps with the big boat feel. I have noticed it does feel big and rides like a bigger boat in chop. The speeds she can go in chop are equal to the speeds my cuddy cabin can go in such seas but the Mac rides way better.
she is able to span the swell unlike the smaller cuddy.
Disconnecting the steering has changed the way the boat sails in as far as
pure sailboat feel. Very relaxing easy to maintain course and no weight on the wheel what so ever. With the addition of the auto pilot the boat will steer better then I can under sail. she will keep a course for hours. That frees me up to roam the boat, go top side look over the bow or even sit on the cabin hatch. All lines in my boat are led aft even the geneo lines
Thanks to Bill and the Mac has changed from a decent fun little boat to
a very comfortable off shore boat. Tacking and playing around in it makes
a very good day. Even napping (more than I want to admit) is great with the steering disconnected and auto pilot engaged. Lay down on the cockpit cussions and Im out in seconds.
Adding some features to this boat makes it very user friendly. (sail slugs lines led aft, and such) What ever the down side is on this boat for the way I use it is ignored so I really cant tell you. Is it perfect? nothing is but
I have owned boats all my life and by far this one is the best. I always wanted to sail a lot but the slow motor side of a sailboat juist didnt cut it for me. When in the cuddy near the end of the day I wanted to be back on the trailer fast so I can go home and relax. Now I dont want to come back in I relax on the boat.
and im still debating this in my mind for me.
Even with a ladder I will still use the well to board and exit the boat into a dingy, it perfect for me so as far as a larger well in the back I dont need it.
On the helm seat for the X being flat and the M hump not sure what would be better. I think the flat would work and if I wanted to sit higher you can always put something there to sit on. But the hump does give you more storage under it for things like fenders but nothing heavy as the thing comes down with a finger breaking thump if you dont control it as it is.
The M is a pretty boat, looks nice under sail and motors very well, with very little spray reaching the cockpit in normal seas at speed. She is high
but in a way that gives the crew a seperation from boat and water and helps with the big boat feel. I have noticed it does feel big and rides like a bigger boat in chop. The speeds she can go in chop are equal to the speeds my cuddy cabin can go in such seas but the Mac rides way better.
she is able to span the swell unlike the smaller cuddy.
Disconnecting the steering has changed the way the boat sails in as far as
pure sailboat feel. Very relaxing easy to maintain course and no weight on the wheel what so ever. With the addition of the auto pilot the boat will steer better then I can under sail. she will keep a course for hours. That frees me up to roam the boat, go top side look over the bow or even sit on the cabin hatch. All lines in my boat are led aft even the geneo lines
Thanks to Bill and the Mac has changed from a decent fun little boat to
a very comfortable off shore boat. Tacking and playing around in it makes
a very good day. Even napping (more than I want to admit) is great with the steering disconnected and auto pilot engaged. Lay down on the cockpit cussions and Im out in seconds.
Adding some features to this boat makes it very user friendly. (sail slugs lines led aft, and such) What ever the down side is on this boat for the way I use it is ignored so I really cant tell you. Is it perfect? nothing is but
I have owned boats all my life and by far this one is the best. I always wanted to sail a lot but the slow motor side of a sailboat juist didnt cut it for me. When in the cuddy near the end of the day I wanted to be back on the trailer fast so I can go home and relax. Now I dont want to come back in I relax on the boat.
Sailboat designers and racing skippers go to great length$ to reduce drag and therefore sail faster. On the propulsion side it is not uncommon to see 27 foot racing boats using small outboards which are removed from the transom or at least tilted up for racing. Folding props are popular even with cruisers. It is rare that anyone would intentionally leave an outboard down on a sailboat unless they just don't care about speed . . . which is fine.
Claims of large speed differences with engine up/down, mast rotated/straight ahead are very suspect. In my opinion it is next to impossible to measure accurate speed differences using a gps or knotmeter as their read outs are constantly fluctuating due to wind speed changes, wave action, current, sail trim etc. If you could sail alonside another companion boat for 30 minutes the speed difference will be obvious. It may not seem like much but sail all day and you might shave an hour off the sailing time which is appreciated after a long day on the water. In light air the added drag will make the boat even less responsive than it already is and tacking will be even more difficult.
Whatever you decide is ok but don't believe any claims that leaving the engine down will enhance performance. Drop a 5 gallon pail over the side and tow it along. Did your speed increase? If the answer is yes then your boat is special . . lower the engine, continue dragging the pail and leave the others behind.
Claims of large speed differences with engine up/down, mast rotated/straight ahead are very suspect. In my opinion it is next to impossible to measure accurate speed differences using a gps or knotmeter as their read outs are constantly fluctuating due to wind speed changes, wave action, current, sail trim etc. If you could sail alonside another companion boat for 30 minutes the speed difference will be obvious. It may not seem like much but sail all day and you might shave an hour off the sailing time which is appreciated after a long day on the water. In light air the added drag will make the boat even less responsive than it already is and tacking will be even more difficult.
Whatever you decide is ok but don't believe any claims that leaving the engine down will enhance performance. Drop a 5 gallon pail over the side and tow it along. Did your speed increase? If the answer is yes then your boat is special . . lower the engine, continue dragging the pail and leave the others behind.
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I'm betting it is only a speed enhancer if it is used in combination with a running motor...Scott wrote:I never knew a bucket would act as a speed enhancer Im gonna have to try it....Must be the vallerie bertenelli effect
But, I like the beer suggestion... Also, there may be something to the blue bucket thing... Alas, my boat has a white hull...