Changing views on “Going Big”
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Terry
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- Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
- Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada. '03 26M - New Yamaha 70
Fluxgate compass location
After looking at the list of Pics TT posted I saw something that needs to be pointed out. The last pic where TT made the quote "Note: Table storage aft" See the big hump under the lowest ladder rung, well I believe that is now the new location for the battery. But fortunately for me on my '03 model the hump is not there and my battery is located somewhat inconveniently at the transom beside the rudder assembly. I say fortunately because with no battery there causing deviation I was able to mount my AutoHelm fluxgate compass just inside that little hold below the last rung facing stern. Of course I had to reset the compass accordingly but that particular location is out of harms way, right down at the water line and center line and it falls right at a point between 1/3 & 1/2 the distance of the hull water line from the stern. The most ideal location on any boat. The M is 23'2" at the water line and it is 12' from the stern to the daggerboard measured externally so mounting the compass below the galley on the '03 was a no go but at the ladder it was perfect. IIRC it is about 9' forward of the stern. So feel free to relocate your battery and use that spot for a compass, and like I did, put a large rubbermaid container in there and use the new hold for rigging takle and other gear.
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They Theirs
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Frank
Actually there are 4 upgraded photos of the early interior. I noted one poster questioned the seniority of the featured model while only mention of the newer 05, 06 sliding Galley/Dedicated Dinette model. I felt the photo of the Aft Birth and Foreword Galley were marginal detailing the voluminous lounge seating without featuring the early table seating with leg and shoulder room
Terry
The Battery Dome Cover position for the 03’ and early 04’ Models, they raised the seating and battery compartment height for late 04’, 05', 06', with a flat wood grain cover. I like your gear locker under the ladder, but the 140 lb weight of two T105 6 volt batteries at the stern should be avoided as dragging the stern when sailing limits the boats performance and ability to point. Could the Battery/Batteries be moved (Considered as ballast) under the port/starboard seats, maybe forward in balancing and centering the weight?
Too many photos of the same things over and over. Removed by Heath
Actually there are 4 upgraded photos of the early interior. I noted one poster questioned the seniority of the featured model while only mention of the newer 05, 06 sliding Galley/Dedicated Dinette model. I felt the photo of the Aft Birth and Foreword Galley were marginal detailing the voluminous lounge seating without featuring the early table seating with leg and shoulder room
Terry
The Battery Dome Cover position for the 03’ and early 04’ Models, they raised the seating and battery compartment height for late 04’, 05', 06', with a flat wood grain cover. I like your gear locker under the ladder, but the 140 lb weight of two T105 6 volt batteries at the stern should be avoided as dragging the stern when sailing limits the boats performance and ability to point. Could the Battery/Batteries be moved (Considered as ballast) under the port/starboard seats, maybe forward in balancing and centering the weight?
Too many photos of the same things over and over. Removed by Heath
Last edited by They Theirs on Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Terry
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- Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:35 pm
- Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
- Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada. '03 26M - New Yamaha 70
Battery Placement
TT
Actually the 12V batteries I have weigh 35# each and only one, the starting battery is at the starboard transom. My house battery (also 35#) is under the aft end of the port aft seat very near the ladder placement. I suppose it might be an idea to move the starting battery forward to starboard of the ladder, since I also keep my 50 litre water bladder just aft of the ladder under the berth. No big deal when empty but I am sure it weighs a bit when filled. I keep a fair amount of bottled water, pop & gatorade in the V-berth hold for extra ballast forward and the porta-potie top compartment is always filled. It is likely I am balanced by fluke. The dome/hump does not exist on the '03 model and I am not sure they raised the seat height until '05.
Actually the 12V batteries I have weigh 35# each and only one, the starting battery is at the starboard transom. My house battery (also 35#) is under the aft end of the port aft seat very near the ladder placement. I suppose it might be an idea to move the starting battery forward to starboard of the ladder, since I also keep my 50 litre water bladder just aft of the ladder under the berth. No big deal when empty but I am sure it weighs a bit when filled. I keep a fair amount of bottled water, pop & gatorade in the V-berth hold for extra ballast forward and the porta-potie top compartment is always filled. It is likely I am balanced by fluke. The dome/hump does not exist on the '03 model and I am not sure they raised the seat height until '05.
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They Theirs
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Terry
You’re probably right, my error in reviewing these 03’, 04’, and 05’ battery box and cabin seat height show the raised seating may have been part of the 05’ upgrade. Thank you for pointing out my error, my impression of the late 04’ higher seats appears wrong.
Overuse of photos. Remove by Heath
You’re probably right, my error in reviewing these 03’, 04’, and 05’ battery box and cabin seat height show the raised seating may have been part of the 05’ upgrade. Thank you for pointing out my error, my impression of the late 04’ higher seats appears wrong.
Overuse of photos. Remove by Heath
Last edited by They Theirs on Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:19 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Frank C
TT,
With due respect to your photo collection, this thread showed the same string of ten Macgregor photos on page one, and on page two, and then AGAIN on page three. That's why I asked on page two, "Anything new?" And it's why I agree with Heath.
Mike, your reading and research on trailer boats and sailing performance is obviously broad. I noticed tonight that your Photobucket account holds more than 800 pictures. Seems that you could really communicate both experience and conclusions by simply organizing them into chapters. With some appropriate captioning, the messages borne of your sail experience could be conveyed much more effectively, instead of just being strung into a message thread like vines in a tree.
Your experience and photo collection could tell creative stories; your wife surely recognizes that those pictures deserve some verbal interpretation to convey your conclusions. But that interpretation isn't practical admidst forum threads.
Moving pix now will leave "holes" in the threads where they were originally linked ... c'est la vie?!
Remember Great Looper Dave? ... got himself into a snit, erased all his posts ... a bit high-schoolish, but comical!
P.S. TT, just noticed that you've edited your posts on Pg 1, changing valid URLs to now show just a blank http: address. Unfortunately, this can cause some browsers to hang, when clicked. If you no longer wish to share it, then it's better to completely remove the link.
i.e. [ url=http:// ] Changing views on “Going Big” [/url ]
(Boards with less genteel memberships deny editing of any post after 5 or 10 minutes.)
With due respect to your photo collection, this thread showed the same string of ten Macgregor photos on page one, and on page two, and then AGAIN on page three. That's why I asked on page two, "Anything new?" And it's why I agree with Heath.
Mike, your reading and research on trailer boats and sailing performance is obviously broad. I noticed tonight that your Photobucket account holds more than 800 pictures. Seems that you could really communicate both experience and conclusions by simply organizing them into chapters. With some appropriate captioning, the messages borne of your sail experience could be conveyed much more effectively, instead of just being strung into a message thread like vines in a tree.
Your experience and photo collection could tell creative stories; your wife surely recognizes that those pictures deserve some verbal interpretation to convey your conclusions. But that interpretation isn't practical admidst forum threads.
Moving pix now will leave "holes" in the threads where they were originally linked ... c'est la vie?!
Remember Great Looper Dave? ... got himself into a snit, erased all his posts ... a bit high-schoolish, but comical!
P.S. TT, just noticed that you've edited your posts on Pg 1, changing valid URLs to now show just a blank http: address. Unfortunately, this can cause some browsers to hang, when clicked. If you no longer wish to share it, then it's better to completely remove the link.
i.e. [ url=http:// ] Changing views on “Going Big” [/url ]
(Boards with less genteel memberships deny editing of any post after 5 or 10 minutes.)
Last edited by Frank C on Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:55 am, edited 2 times in total.
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They Theirs
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Heath
I had no knowledge of your/our plight with spammers, seen a few come up from time to time, but Kevin mentioned not responding, and I try not to click on what appears off site material. I hope my posts have in no way brought on this spam, and sorry to hear of this problem. I did post a Pub material on “Spam” the meat, but unrelated to your troubles. I’m no authority on all MacGregor models, but like them (obvious). I try not to favor one over another, but seem to post more on those boats I’m more familiar with. As you well know I too spent almost a year dogging bullets from some for reasons unknown to me. I have no dislike for any given model, but have preference for all their attributes.
Duplicate posts I’ve attempted to eliminate, and showing photos for those who have never viewed or will not view without going to the archives…I particularly enjoy many of the old posts. I will surely attempt to limit my post, and their length and number of photos.
If I might digress for a moment, to explain my posting of the photo block you’ve removed: Frank asked if the photos were the same on first page, and I tried to explain and show the photo I removed and upgraded with a better frame and more pristine shots for which the author of the Roger MacGregor presentation. My enthusiasm may have looked to be over the top, but in reality; the photos seeded other posts as the thread expanded. The Post on the “Real Marine Head” were from the erroneous and rather insulting post from a former monitor stating the Mac has no real marine head (not true) and the inference that Italians stink and rarely bathe. (Wife’s Italian…. Surprised Frank did not feel the insult). I do favor the wife and her Italian heritage, but then I’m biased in that case.
The Photos of the Battery placement I felt were necessary to clarify the subtle changes in the cabin liner and seating in the M since its inception. I’m surely not as familiar with the X, but I’m learning.
Recently I posted photos, probably too many to help with a possible leak in an X boat ballast tank. I tried to offer the best and most information to help with Catigale potential problem. I enjoy posting on the board, and hope to improve on cutting and compacting the pictures and links.
I apologize for having added to your labors, I shall endeavor to improve.
Thanks Heath for helping me understand
Frank....I never knew the often mentioned “Great Looper Dave” but if blocking my wife’s “ICEBERG” account and the “Me Mine” and “You Yours”, while some before you played cut and paste with anyone’s private post or thread qualifies as having a snit, having erased all or many of our posts then lets call it as you see it ... a bit high-schoolish, but comical!
P.S. Frank: I was not aware the links made your browsers hang, when I realized how distraught heath was over the annoying photos so I am attempting to bring my posting to heaths more concise and reasonable balance of photos and discussion while remaining objective to his model without favor. I’ll attempt compacting the links while being careful to post only an acceptable quantity of pictures and related objective discussion, and of coarse not to be excessive. "TANSTAAFL".
I had no knowledge of your/our plight with spammers, seen a few come up from time to time, but Kevin mentioned not responding, and I try not to click on what appears off site material. I hope my posts have in no way brought on this spam, and sorry to hear of this problem. I did post a Pub material on “Spam” the meat, but unrelated to your troubles. I’m no authority on all MacGregor models, but like them (obvious). I try not to favor one over another, but seem to post more on those boats I’m more familiar with. As you well know I too spent almost a year dogging bullets from some for reasons unknown to me. I have no dislike for any given model, but have preference for all their attributes.
Duplicate posts I’ve attempted to eliminate, and showing photos for those who have never viewed or will not view without going to the archives…I particularly enjoy many of the old posts. I will surely attempt to limit my post, and their length and number of photos.
If I might digress for a moment, to explain my posting of the photo block you’ve removed: Frank asked if the photos were the same on first page, and I tried to explain and show the photo I removed and upgraded with a better frame and more pristine shots for which the author of the Roger MacGregor presentation. My enthusiasm may have looked to be over the top, but in reality; the photos seeded other posts as the thread expanded. The Post on the “Real Marine Head” were from the erroneous and rather insulting post from a former monitor stating the Mac has no real marine head (not true) and the inference that Italians stink and rarely bathe. (Wife’s Italian…. Surprised Frank did not feel the insult). I do favor the wife and her Italian heritage, but then I’m biased in that case.
The Photos of the Battery placement I felt were necessary to clarify the subtle changes in the cabin liner and seating in the M since its inception. I’m surely not as familiar with the X, but I’m learning.
Recently I posted photos, probably too many to help with a possible leak in an X boat ballast tank. I tried to offer the best and most information to help with Catigale potential problem. I enjoy posting on the board, and hope to improve on cutting and compacting the pictures and links.
I apologize for having added to your labors, I shall endeavor to improve.
Thanks Heath for helping me understand
Frank....I never knew the often mentioned “Great Looper Dave” but if blocking my wife’s “ICEBERG” account and the “Me Mine” and “You Yours”, while some before you played cut and paste with anyone’s private post or thread qualifies as having a snit, having erased all or many of our posts then lets call it as you see it ... a bit high-schoolish, but comical!
P.S. Frank: I was not aware the links made your browsers hang, when I realized how distraught heath was over the annoying photos so I am attempting to bring my posting to heaths more concise and reasonable balance of photos and discussion while remaining objective to his model without favor. I’ll attempt compacting the links while being careful to post only an acceptable quantity of pictures and related objective discussion, and of coarse not to be excessive. "TANSTAAFL".
They Theirs wrote:
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Heath Wrote:
TT,
I removed some photos from your posts. Do you really _need_ to post so many? It gets annoying after a point.
Heath
Heath
Not a problem…I’ve had so many compliments on the great photos and so many have asked for more, or even requested you post all the wonderful photos on this board, so they can look, compare, and ponder their own.
It’s your board, feel free to remove those that make you offended, but you’re the first ever to use the word annoying. Example: Check out the X boat updated galley, the photos were spread and posted. I brought the new galley photos, made a great impression, worthy of the owner’s effort; the poster viewed the photos commenting how impressive it looked. Another value of Photos, they relieve the constant trashing from posters who prefers to fabricate and promote confabulations and written fallacies easily disqualified by visitation.
Thanks for your candor Heath.
PS Wife is a graphics editor...approves my efforts. I’m sure you missed my recent post on Going Big; it is going on 1400 hits and third page of board members viewing what you express as “Annoying Photos”. That Flashing marker…..Hmmmm?
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I know you have gone to a lot of effort to compare and contrast the different models. At some point though, trying to look through a post with 20 photos or so just seems excessive. I would prefer more concise shorter posts. Also it seems like some of the photos have been posted time and again - the same brochure photos, etc.
Been fighting Russian spammers the past few days and getting annoyed with it, and maybe the annoyance got transferred a bit, but I still feel that your posts could equally well make the point you are trying to get across while being a bit more concise.
Regarding seeing the same posts time and again, I know you put a lot of effort into understanding the differences between models. If you want to work on a Featured Article highlighting some of the differences, that would be something I would consider for posting. Again, I'd want it to be concise with a reasonable balance between photos and discussion, and remaining objective with no favor towards one model or the other...
Heath