me & my mac after 1000nm in thailand

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me & my mac after 1000nm in thailand

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Exactly 6 months ago I put my brand new :macm: into the tropical water of Koh Samui for the first time. And she pretty much stayed in there most of the time. As it was my goal to set up a day trip business to tourists, the goal for the first half year was to get to know the boat and the nautical area.

To give the grand summary at this point: it has been a fantastic time, my wife and myself enjoyed many days of boating pleasure, hours of considerations and tests on performance and of course there were a few extreme situations as well.

Motoring:
As I want to commercially offer ALL capabilities of the boat we pretty much tried everything that was promised by Macgregor. That´s including waterski and wakeboarding. Surprisingly the 50HP Yamaha 4stroke (carburated) could do it from the first day - even with a 13,75x13 propeller on it. The boat makes 13 knots with a 90 kg person to pull and 14kts with a lighter one or a slight tailwind. With 3 persons on the boat and a light load that is. So it´s enough to pull someone on extra wide waterskies oder do wakeboarding - even jumps over the sternwave are possible. Topspeed with light load and only me on board was 17kts in FLG water.
I studied the statements and test results on props for hours on this forum and tested 4 props on my engine.

The genuine Yamaha prop that came with the engine was doing quite a good job - as I worked out later after testing others. There was only one prop slightly exceeding the overall performance of the Yammi: the Solas Amita 3x14x11.
BUT: only very slightly. Both stated props make only 4900rpm and both have app. the same rpm/speed results. The Solas is a bit better in jumping the boat on a plane, and top speed is maybe a knot better when heavily loaded (6persons + provisioning, fuel etc.). Speed readings were done by gps.
If you are interested why I´m happy with these low rpms and which other props iI tested I´ll go into details on that at a later time.

Sailing:
it took quite a bit of time till I got the old confidence that I had when I was a sailing teacher on Hoby Cats about 10 years ago. The tendency to heel even in light winds was very unusual to me. later I worked out, that most of the heeling momentum comes from the headsail, not from the mainsail! One of my best moments on the boat was when I went out and sailed her singlehanded for a couple of hours really being able to work out the limits.
On one occasion I tried the assym. spinacker that I ordered with the boat. Want to do that again soon...
Also we sailed unballasted in a very light breeze of course. That was quite amazing to make 3 kts. in maybe 4kts of wind!


Questions:
# why is the centerboard WAY smaller than the centerboard trunk resulting in the famous noise when you want to sleep + in massive wear of the fiberglass structure (on the slim backside of the board where it touches the trunk when down) after a few sailing hours. I got the centerboard fixed up together with the 100hrs engine service, only to discover that the same problem occurred again shortly after.

# why is the boat so stern heavy when not ballasted? It seems to me that HPs is one thing to talk about but another one is the unballasted balance of then boat. I give you an example: I´m on the boat with 2 other people. Everyone is in the cockpit: 14kts @ 4.800 rpm then I send the 2 persons to the bow: 16 kts @ 4.800 rpm
I tried this on many occasions and it´s always the same result. Only situation, when this is maybe helpful are high seas - but maybe not even then. I now try to work out, which heavy items I can put into the bow compartments. There are only 2 ideas: water or gas

# 2 times a fuse (of the masthead light) broke resulting in a totally empty battery. At one occasion i was traveling at night bringing customers to their hotel. All lights incl GPS and engine trim failed in a bay full of reefs and rocks. Luckily I know the area pretty well...

# how can the people @ macgregor think, an average person would be happy with the transom entrance through the extremely narrow space between rudders, engine and raised seat?


My suggestions for the M successor:
  • chop off at least one foot of boat heigth and add it to the width (I know, there´s this US limit, but why not make a non US version?)
  • put a foldable ladder on each boat for easy access
  • increase cockpit space at the expense of cabin space
  • increase hull stability
  • offer lazy jacks as an option
  • re-introduce the old pedestal - it gives a few centimeters more space in the cockpit
  • optional in-cabin fuel compartments (like the new odin has it)
  • find a more ergonomic position for the helms-seat/pedestal (a have a sore back frequently)
  • add a second water inlet/outlet; this would emergency filling so much quicker and safer.
Well that´s it so far. I´m sure i forgot a few things but I´m tired now. Have to go on a full day trip tomorrow. By the way, here´s what I´m offering with the mac:
Oops ... can´t post that URL. Whatever, not so important for now...

Good Winds
Gerry from Thailand
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Pics?
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Post by Terry »

My suggestions for the M successor:
chop off at least one foot of boat heigth and add it to the width (I know, there´s this US limit, but why not make a non US version?)
8'6" is the limit most places and would add 4.5 inches to each side of the daggerboard trunk below.

put a foldable ladder on each boat for easy access
BWY has a nice genoa track mounting one

increase cockpit space at the expense of cabin space
Yes, we spend most of our time in the cockpit

increase hull stability
Good Idea

offer lazy jacks as an option Here, hear

re-introduce the old pedestal - it gives a few centimeters more space in the cockpit
Yes, even though the newest is aesthetically more pleasing the original SS post provides more foot space on my '03M

optional in-cabin fuel compartments (like the new odin has it)
Sounds risky
find a more ergonomic position for the helms-seat/pedestal (a have a sore back frequently)
I get that just climbing in & out in the driveway


add a second water inlet/outlet; this would emergency filling so much quicker and safer
A second water inlet that fills two outer LOA hull tanks while the first fills the center line LOA tank would provide the option of 1/3 ballast, 2/3 ballast or full ballast (a dangerous option in the hands of an idiot)
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Post by Shane »

Terry wrote:
put a foldable ladder on each boat for easy access
BWY has a nice genoa track mounting one
this has been the best add on we've made to the boat.

Regards,
Shane
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# 2 times a fuse (of the masthead light) broke resulting in a totally empty battery.
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# 2 times a fuse (of the masthead light) broke resulting in a totally empty battery.

Yeah I wondered about that one too.
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Post by RichardB »

Hi Terry,

I've been looking for such a ladder since I first put my 26m in the water over a year ago. It does not appear in BMY's online catalog, so I just emailed them for info. How sturdy is it? Would you climb it with full scuba gear? Where do you stow it?

thanks!
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Hi Richard,
Yes I have noticed it is not listed, but they do have it and sell it. Funny thing is I saw a manufacturers sticker on the underside and see it is made here in Vernon, B.C. and shipped to BWY where they put the genoa cars on it. It now retails for $250.00 but was $150.00 when I bought it two years ago. It is solid SS with heavy plastic steps and holds my 220# easily. My wife insisted on it for her short legs while at the slip. It would easily hold you with scuba gear but I am not sure it extends down low enough to the water level to reach, it only has two steps and extends maybe a foot below the rub rail, perhaps if you got a short extension for it. It is great for side entry at the docks but I don't see it being a swim ladder.

On Edit: OK curiosity won, I went out to the garage and retrieved it, it is definitely heavy duty. The top step is SS tubing with two round plates welded on it to bolt the hard thick plastic step on. The bottom plastic non-skid step is bolted onto a 3" X 14" SS plate that is welded to the side SS tubes. Now, there is 1.25 inches of exposed SS plate on each side of the plastic step where one could drill a couple holes for attaching a removeable extension, I say removeable because you want the ladder to do double duty both as a slip ladder and swim ladder when diving. Alternatively perhaps BWY would sell just the cars with quick pins, one is taller than the other to keep the ladder paralllel while mounted on the not so parallel track. They may or may not be compatible with a WM ladder. I can send you a pic with an e-mail address but I don't do pics here, too onerous.
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Post by Graham Carr »

You said the fuse broke, so I’m assuming you mean blown out. No matter how you describe it, the end result is the same. The circuit has been broken or correctly said as an “open circuit”. That would make it impossible for the battery to be drained from that circuit. Even if it is a breaker you still have an open circuit until it has been reset. Something else must be causing your battery to go dead. Did you figure out why the fuse was blowing?

Can you post photos of your sailing grounds? I’d love to see them.

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Post by maddmike »

Hi Gerry!

Great post, great sailing area. Although I've managed to spend quite a bit of time sailing around Koh Samui and also in Phuket, and the Nicobar & Aldaman Islands (great surfing!), it's never been on a boat with shallow draft like a Mac. I always wished I had Zeno's Arrow in that part of the world.

Might be over for the King's Cup this year tagging along with our Director of Product Development at North on the way through to Sri Lanka. Love to buy you a drink and chat if we make it over. By the way, good recommendations for improvements always come from those who put a product to extended use. Can't understand why Macgregor never attemps to interview or question those who really use the product to it's full potential. Makes one kind of question the Stanford MBA program he attended. In my old MBA days, and also later at Cambridge it was drilled into us over and over that improving one's products required listening to our customers directly, and the more they used the product, the more we needed to listen. That's what we do here and it really pays off. When someone uses our product to the extent you have used the Mac we would be banging their door down begging them for their opinions. IMHO, this is more than half the reason he gets slammed so much by many in the sailing community with the poor quality and cheap product comments. Not so much because of the actual product, more because of his position on not being proactive about after market research at the end user level MM
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It does pay to talk to the customer, but I still have to reiterate that for Roger to be able to deliver a ~15k boat to a dealer network and consistently make money puts him in a class by himself imho..

While sailing anarchy guys are typing their drivel, Ill be sailing Rogers effforts across Ontario to Toronto, then picking up a family friend at the Lower Niagara Gorge (12 kt current, YIKES!) then trailering to MA and spending a week at Cuttyhunk, the VIneyard, and Nantucket...

Keep typing losers, cant read it now, SAILING......... :P

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Post by gerrykite2fly »

Hi maddmike,
I too have a marketing background and the things you mention are essential. If you have virtually no competition though, you still can run things "your way".
Maybe someone from Macgregor is occasionally dropping in here without leaving a trace - who knows...
Anyway I didn´t want to moan and grumble, just express what would make the boat perfect for my purpose.
As you suppose, the Mac is a very good boat for day trips in this area: No dinghy, easy beaching, sailing, fishing, waterski and always being back in time no matter how the wind is.

Off topic: got trapped in a thunderstorm recently and this was a very scary experience. All of the sudden the sky around me turned black within minutes. Then strong rain set in giving a visibility of maybe 1m. Sent all passengers down to the cabin an tried to steer her home with the help of the gps. This was 2 miles from our home beach. But the winds were so strong, that I could only go straight against it. I concentrated on heading into the wind for 2 minutes or so only to find out via gps that I was going in circles! Meanwhile flashes struck a few hundred meters away from the boat accompanied by really frightening thunder. Finally I had to drop the anchor and go into the cabin as well because I couldn´t breathe anymore! There was just water everywhere. It lasted for another 10 minutes before we could go on. It was a moment that I don´t wish to experience again.

The Phuket Kings Cup should take place at the same time with the Phuket Boat Show in Decmeber. I wanted to be there for a couple of days, so meeting up with you would be great.
Here´s my local mobile number +66869441223

Aloha Gerry
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All,

Appreciate the testing and feedback good info.

It's difficult, except for transom boarding issue, resisting the urge to say "get a X" but I'll hold back.

Newell :wink:
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Hi Terry, thanks for the description and I'll pm you for the pics. I've started a thread on genoa track ladders in the mods section since this off topic here.
-richard
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Post by Boblee »

Gerrykite2fly
You obviously don't have to have survey to use boats for commercial use in Thailand.
All your points seem valid to me but was the Mac ever meant to be used commercially, as I see it it's strongest selling point and value is in it's versatility and price point.
Personally I am happy that the :macm: is a blank canvas but perhaps you could have got most of the advantages of the :macm: and could have sailed it to your present location, as this boat addresses most of your wishes (if not all) plus it is a bluewater boat and can be built to survey.
http://mackmanboats.com.au/mackman%20boats%20mach28.htm
Those with an :macx: will appreciate the plan as it is a dead copy of it but bigger.
Bob
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