Discouraged Going Up Wind, Close hauled, Cannot Point
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tangentair
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Someone should summerize this thread and post it to the one about the resale value of a MAC on the powersailer board. 60K even Canadian dollars pushes the envlope for me. If I had to spend that on something I want for a specific purpose like racing, I think I would have taken a few test drives and read a few racing forms. I love a big ol' friendly Lab but if I was going to a dog race, I would take a grayhound.
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Scott
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Wow talk about resurrecting an oldie. I also went sailing this weekend on Sunday in around 15-18 mph wind. We had our mainsail on the first reef and about 1/3 of the jib out, I would have gone full tilt boogy but the missus isn't all that adventurous.
"We were hauling the proverbial butt", pointing quite high too. We were blowing by bigger boats and some similar sized Catalina's also. I was very pleased with my Mac.
No offense here either but do you have much sailing experience?? If so it strikes me as odd that with the rig tune advice and the sailing pointers provided here that you still cant get even baseline performance out of your mac. If not, do you think it wise (after spending $60K can. on a boat) to buy something twice as expensive and twice as difficult to sail??
The Mac is a great beginner boat. Not bad for a seasoned salt with realistic expectations either.
On edit, anytime you have enough canvas aloft to heel 45 deg, you're gonna stall your rudders trying to keep from rounding.
"We were hauling the proverbial butt", pointing quite high too. We were blowing by bigger boats and some similar sized Catalina's also. I was very pleased with my Mac.
No offense here either but do you have much sailing experience?? If so it strikes me as odd that with the rig tune advice and the sailing pointers provided here that you still cant get even baseline performance out of your mac. If not, do you think it wise (after spending $60K can. on a boat) to buy something twice as expensive and twice as difficult to sail??
The Mac is a great beginner boat. Not bad for a seasoned salt with realistic expectations either.
On edit, anytime you have enough canvas aloft to heel 45 deg, you're gonna stall your rudders trying to keep from rounding.
Thank you guys for all your advice it was most helpful
Again, I just wanted to thank you guys for all your advice on sailing the Macgregor, it was priceless. And this thread does have a lot of valuable advice on that subject, and tuning the rig.
I have got the rig tuned perfectly, the boat is balanced beautifully, and I am sailing much better this year than last year. The IDA dagger board and Rudders, help considerably, I hardly ever round up or lose steering control.
i was out sailing my Mac this week in 10-12 knots of wind, and had her sailing on a little higher than a beam reach, only about 10 degrees of heeling, and averaging 5.5 knots for about an hour, hitting 6 knots frequently, and topping out at 6.4 knots in gusts. This is speed over the ground too.
Just to let you know, I did not buy a Mac for racing, I never even considered racing, I bought it for family cruising comforts, and loaded with all those upgrades, like a full enclosure, and auto pilot, Chart plotter, furling etc. etc.
But since joining a yacht club on lake ontario, I have been in club races, they have a special club race on Monday night for beginner sailors and racers, different than the regular weds nights.
Through this I realized I really enjoy racing, and that it would be a sport I would like to pursue.
I have got the rig tuned perfectly, the boat is balanced beautifully, and I am sailing much better this year than last year. The IDA dagger board and Rudders, help considerably, I hardly ever round up or lose steering control.
i was out sailing my Mac this week in 10-12 knots of wind, and had her sailing on a little higher than a beam reach, only about 10 degrees of heeling, and averaging 5.5 knots for about an hour, hitting 6 knots frequently, and topping out at 6.4 knots in gusts. This is speed over the ground too.
Just to let you know, I did not buy a Mac for racing, I never even considered racing, I bought it for family cruising comforts, and loaded with all those upgrades, like a full enclosure, and auto pilot, Chart plotter, furling etc. etc.
But since joining a yacht club on lake ontario, I have been in club races, they have a special club race on Monday night for beginner sailors and racers, different than the regular weds nights.
Through this I realized I really enjoy racing, and that it would be a sport I would like to pursue.
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baldbaby2000
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Racing Macgregors
MacGregors would make an intersting One Design class...would be neat if we could organize a MacGregor race at least once a year, or even once a month, if there was enough interest on Lake Ontario.
Maybe this is a subject for new thread. But would there be any intrested in the Toronto Area, say in July or August of this year?
Maybe this is a subject for new thread. But would there be any intrested in the Toronto Area, say in July or August of this year?
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Frank C
Racing for the 'marque' has been discussed many times here, but never seems to reach critical mass ... except that San Diego seems to have gathered a group, combining Powersailers & classic Macs. Also, Capt Kimo stages a race at Lake Mead (Las Vegas) twice a year, trailerable boats, mostly Macs.
My guess is that, on average, Mac owners are more oriented as cruiser than racer. But those who do race have enjoyed it ... Baldbaby & Richard (CO), Newell (UT) ... others too, beyond the San Diego group. It might be tough to assemble a large enough regional group but 'more power to ya' and best wishes!
My guess is that, on average, Mac owners are more oriented as cruiser than racer. But those who do race have enjoyed it ... Baldbaby & Richard (CO), Newell (UT) ... others too, beyond the San Diego group. It might be tough to assemble a large enough regional group but 'more power to ya' and best wishes!
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Highlander
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"beene" has more sailing experience 
but then again I do have three head sails rigged to all fly together 
