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I don't believe the Garhauer jib cars that were previously supplied by MacGregor are available any longer from any source.

I ordered a pair a year ago from Kelly-Hanson [based on a photo that was then on thier web site], and what I received was a set of genoa blocks [which is what my dealer had provided when I bought the boat in '05 - even though I opted for the standard jib rather than the Genoa]. When I questioned K-H, they said there was no longer a difference between the harware that MacGregor supplied for the jib vs. the Genoa, and that the jib cars were no longer available from Garhauer. They have since removed the old photo from their site.

You guys must be wheatie eaters compared to this limp wristed liberal...I cant trim my genny by hand in much over 10 kts..

I want to make certain that I understand the term "using the winch".

The sheet goes around the winch and then into the jam cleat. When letting out or pulling in the Genoa, I simply grab the sheet, release it from the jam cleat, and either pull or let out. I never have needed to place a handle in the winch and crank.

If not using the winch handle for the Genoa sheet is not using the winch, then I have never used the winch.

Ray

P.S. I don't think the wrist muscles in this case are the problem. It's more trapezius and deltoid muscles

My tax and spend muscles are fine, thank you.

When are you going to publish a book on "Catisims! The wit and wisdom of Stephen"

Ray

My favourite drink...

Cat -n - Tonic

Does it come with an umbrella?



G

If not using the winch handle for the Genoa sheet is not using the winch, then I have never used the winch.

Yes the handle. Without it, the winch adds no power. Try going out in 20 kts wind and trimming that sheet without mechanical advantage

Leon said:

Try going out in 20 kts wind and trimming that sheet without mechanical advantage

I was only trying to clarify my understanding. Peace brother


Ray

I could be wrong, but as I recall the cabin top tracks were 1" (25mm). For that width, Garhauer has the:

LLC-25US 1,500 pound working load $46.59 each


LLC1 2,000 pound working load $48.92 each


LLC2 3,000 pound working load $65.00 each


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Moe

Thanks, Moe. I guess they have simply been dropped by MacGregor [and by K-H] because the genoa blocks are cheaper [how novel!]. Garhauer also lists this one for $48.92 -- nice looking, but no specified working load. http://garhauermarine.com/images/product/LLC-1UB.jpg
Now I'll have to decide which variety to order

Doug

One could really get carried away at a Garhauer booth while going to a boat show.......









Right Guys.....

G

delevi wrote: . . . Try going out in 20 kts wind and trimming that sheet without mechanical advantage

Beg to differ ...

Simply an issue of line-leverage, granting tho, it's prolly not as taut as you'd choose.

Simply an issue of line-leverage, granting tho, it's prolly not as taut as you'd choose

???? Leverage? Frank, how are you getting leverage on a jib sheet?

Rae,
I wasn't trying to be a smartass. If I sounded like one, sorry dude.
Just making the point that in 20 kts+ the loads on the jib are huge... I'm guessing a few hundred pounds. One would have to pull the sheet with both hands to trim it in w/o a winch, even so, to sheet it in tight on a beat, I think not.

Leon

Easier to demonstrate than describe. CAll.