which one is better for 26M ??

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Divecoz
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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

Post by Divecoz »

One of the rules for a Macgregor 26 is..
If the boards are down ( rudders and center board) motor should be up.....

Yes yes.... I too have motor sailed but never when there was enough wind to push me over to 20 degrees. In Fact I cannot remember running much of anything but flat while power sailing..
One of the many HUGE differences between Our Sailboats and 99.9% of the others is??
All of ours, even.... with a Small Prop 2 smoke Tohatsu, they will hit beyond 12 MPH and maybe even 15 MPH under power. Mine with a Mercury 50 4 stroke i.e. more torque and add the big foot / big prop will do close to 20 MPH. Thats Not Stripped out thats with a lot of stuff on board, a LOT of Stuff!
Allow me to ask you, how fast do you think most sailboats go under engine only power ? Most run in or about 5 to 7 mph....
The reason? Much of the answer will be Hull Design NOT HP...
So back to ...Those 3 boards.... They were never meant/designed to operate under that kind 12 to 30 + MPH stress and strain among other issues...and there are Major Ooooppss SHI- !!!! Hold ON !! Handling issues !!!
The Vast Majority of the time on board, its either Sailing 8) or Power boating :( ..Major exception?? DOCKING! Any Maneuvers at slow speed where optimum control and precise handling is Mandatory..Once again The bigger the prop and with the boards all down or partially down ( your choice) That Big Prop 4 Stroke with Lots of Torque is a key factor to success.
Allow me to ask you? Do you understand how a motor can over power your sails and the likely consequences of such actions..
Norca wrote:Well let's say I'm motorsailing at 15-20 degrees, and there is a gust of wind, and then a wave
rolling the boat over.
Will the motor be starved for oil ?
A two-stroke would be OK, but I'm not sure of the limit of the 4-strokes.
I don't have much sailing experience, but I think it can be an advantage to
keep some sail up in rough conditions, just to steady the boat, and reduce the rolling, even
if sails alone is not enough to make headway.
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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

Post by beene »

Hi Div
Long time.....


I have a couple and maybe a few question's..... 5 to start.
I will do my best to answer for you

1. What is the WOT Speed for your 75?
Calm day, mod load, empty ballast, 26mph (was better when motor and boat were new and boat was empty)

2.What was the other Mac running for power, that you were racing?
60 Etec

3. in Video #8 who is who and what are each of you running.
Don't know what video 8 is
That is Highlanders site
My Boat is Pegasus, white M with Merc 75 4s
All videos taken are from either Highlanders or Dreamers 26M, members on this site.

4. Why do you have your Port Rudder up? Drag? Directional stability?
For max speed while sailing.
Keel was up also.

5. What prop are you running?
13.75 x 15

Cheers

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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

Post by Highlander »

I think this is the video Div is talking about it was when Beene & I were out running around testing my eng. after I had been having some issues with it we both have 75HP Merc F/S except mine is fuel inj. & has the bigger block I will be changing to the bigger Prop that Beene bought this yr
http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010002.mp4

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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

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bla bla bla

Catch me if you can........

:P

8)

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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

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As I see it the Two Boats ( Both 75 HP Merc's) seem to run, neck in neck mast up or mast down? There by I will assume that mast makes little drag effect??
I love watching, some of your guys Videos... I am not sure however ... should I refer to you fellows as Awesome ..... or CRAZY Hahahaaha
I am Envious of you fellows.. You all seem to have the Skill Ability and The Confidence, to actually take your boats ...To The Limits....
If I was head of Promotions for MacGregor I would somehow gain the use of many of those Video's for Advertisement and Safety Assurance purposes..
My Sales Pitch Might Be.. Worried ? Hahahaha Look at what these guys are doing!! Pay NO Attention to the fellow in the straight jacket..
IS..... there any truth in the rumor that John is contemplating taking his boat over a ski ramp next summer? James Bond style??
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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

Post by Highlander »

Div
already done that under sail no ramp necc just head into the big swells under two full head sails jib & genny with full main & air borne we are ! :o :P
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He's is a little crazy guess I'm a bad influence !! :D
http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010074.mp4

here he is showing off again the 3ft bowsprit i made for his boat
http://s844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010128.mp4

and if your willing enough to bury your bow deep enough to use your genny to scoope up enough water then you too can make your own water falls !
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Life is full of excitment ! :D :P
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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

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John said:
PS Ray , Beene seems to be out running the inclemnet weather pretty good I'd say !!
John, I finally had a chance to view the video (computer problems), and I maintain what I preveously posted.
no fifty is going to outrun a storm. I know Mac owners say this, but it's not happening on the ocean. A lake maybe, but not the ocean.
You notice I said "fifty", not not the behemoths that you and Geoff have. I also said this
ocean. A lake maybe, but not the ocean
. and this
you can't throttle as high as you can on a lake, or a river. The swells will not allow it
I should have added Georgian Bay to the list of "lake or a river". The water was relativly flat compared to what the Atlantic or Pacific offers when the weather starts to look bad. Which brings me to this. I also said:
it's just not happening unless you consider reading the sky, and leaving early, as outrunning a storm. I would call that good sense
That's what you were doing :!: 8) :P

On a more personal note, I think I am going to be in Scotland in March. Do you have any family there that still talks to you :?: :P :D Drop me a line.


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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

Post by K9Kampers »

John, your boat is showing a tan line! Yous better clean ya bottom, after all, it's against the law ya know!
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Re: which one is better for 26M ??

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K9Kampers
Yeh tell me about it we had such a hot humid summer this yr I usualy dont have this problem but hopefully I will get the chance & time to do bottom paint next yr !

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