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Is this a stock winch?


The arrow is pointing to a lever that need to be held up to pull the keel up or down.

Didn't want to pull the caps off because they looked brittle. Are these the pivot bolt, pin down bolt and pin up bolt holes?


Lastly ... Is this stock too? Its on the port Genoa track.


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Oh yea ... the new toy ... no name yet

I found your manual you will want to save this PDF and maybe print it out - the bad news is its Vague (they all are) however it should be useful at some point
http://sbo.sailboatowners.com/images/kb/pdf/1361.pdf

Thanks ... looks like the top one is the Lock Bolt ... and bottom is the Pivot Bolt?

yes that is what the manual shows now I dont know if you called blue water yachts - I do know they have a lot more inventory than they have online also they know how to cross reference your needs like its real possible the same rub rail for the X or M would work for your V22 or maybe the rail off the S would work to be honest i think they are all the same - then it would be a matter of price I do think they would have replacement plastic bolt covers and I do feel its a real good Idea to inspect the bolts and keel THOROUGHLY as that is a major quirk on Macs the pins can fail from years of water and friction eating away at them and if you lose the keel its hundreds to replace so keep that in mind drop the approx. ten dollars on new bolt covers and do your inspections now Macs use standard bolts so you can save money by getting any good grade stainless from a local hardware and not using BWY but for the little things its most likely your best and easiest bet

Thanks @Ormonddude

Seems like BWY is the place to go. Just got a voice mail from Gail. They're at the Puyallup Fair, so just might drop in and say hi.

Those Genoa car tracks look like they are a bit too far back. Mine are located about 18 -24 inches farther forward and actually help to get the fore triangle balance when going on a beam reach vs pointing. I got an average of .4 knots better on a reach one day just by making an adjustment to the cars.

There is nothing "stock" on most Ventures. A lot of stuff is installed by dealers prior to delivery to new owner. I used to do this when I was with a dealer in So. Cal. That's why you see so many different winches, etc on the same year boat. First, I don't think that is the proper winch. The ones from the factory are a brake winch which you can probably get at harbor freight. Those tracks are too far aft. I place the one on our '22 just aft of the shrouds. Depends on how big your genny is. I would suggest leaving those where they are and getting a couple of three foot sections to mount aft of shrouds. Also think about getting blocks. The sheets will wear those other gizmos out pretty quick. I see you have the original herculon tweed cushions. They look great as does what I can see of the rest of the yacht. Fair Winds and Full Sails...Old Salt.

I'm going to assume this is not stock or normal ... when I removed it something fell off, like maybe a nut? Is this the bolt used to lock down the keel?



It came from the middle hole.

Now arent you glad you found that before you where out on the water? Have you climbed under the boat and inspected it from underneath? it sort of looks like the PO let the keel swing into it instead of lowering it slowly. thats going to need to be replaced and try to get a look at the keel and be careful I think that keel is weighted (on a personal note: working on my I dropped the hanger on my forehead when reinstalling it I have a tiny scar over my left eye) Edit: from the Manual -On the other boats, the cable passes through a stainless tube
containing a wear surface. If the cable, the wear bolt, or stainless tube show any
noticeable wear or abrasion, replace the worn part. Be sure to re-assemble the new
part or parts exactly as they were before being disassembled.
If the boat is kept in the water, it is recommended that the keel pivot bolt be
removed every 12 months [while the boat is on a trailer] and inspected for signs
of wear. The holes in the kill and the inside of the keel trunk should be given a
similar inspection. To gain access to the pivot hole, remove the keel pin and lower
the head of the keel until the hole is exposed. Keep the retraction cable snug to
prevent the keel from falling sideways on the trailer. The rubber washers on the
keel pin bolt should also be inspected. Cover all washers with a liberal coat of a
good quality bedding compound. Re-assembly of the keel pivot bolt should be as
follows:
Be very careful when working with the keel--it is very heavy and can cause injury
if it falls on you.
When the keel pivot bolt is re-installed, make sure that it passes though
the hole in the keel.

Going under tomorrow to see whats what ... I'll watch for a falling hanger, whatever that is

That is the lock bolt right? So what are these bolt screwing into?

The manual mentions another bolt with a warning not to remove. I'm assuming the one under the mast support? ... what does it attach?

I can see access for the lock bolt and pivot bolt on only one side, but from the reading I see, some people are seeing access from both sides? Maybe I'm miss interpreting it

This is the section I'm reading

It Means do not remove while on the water! if you read on its says Inspect it every 12 months or so. The Lock down Bolt is supposed to inserted into the keel once your in deep water. Did you look for plugs on the other side? Chances are you may see something similar or maybe you have to work in the Keel Pocket - My guess would be that they had a lock nut welded to some steel and glassed in or some other reasonable way of securing the bolts your going to have to play detective but your doing good just be real careful with that heavy keel if you pull the pin and the cable snaps it could come crashing down I Would suggest maybe some cinder blocks or wood scraps Piled up under there as a fail safe maybe even a car jack and have help around incase it goes bad block the tires on the trailer so the trailer wont roll just listen to the manual BE CAREFUL

Thanks Ormonddude ... boat is on a trailer and blocked. I'm a 30yr journey machinist and have done some rigging, so I'll be careful. Give me a chance to scrape all the muscles and barnacles off too.

The other side of the trunk is a porta-pottie and no sign of access

I'll be replacing the cable while I'm down there and pulling the pivot bolt for a quick inspection ... will be talking lots of pictures for future reference on what and how I did it.


edit:
And since I have everyones attention

What is #1 and #2? One is the rubber bumper, and the other is??

On mine, you can access the back end of the lock bolt by removing the dinette cushion and the little hatch cover beneath it. You can reach it by going up and in. It doesn't look like you can, but you can anyway.

Chip
P.S. I'm not going to post a pix of my rudder downhaul. It's a completely different setup & would only cause confusion.

Found the access panel and the missing hardware, some images ...

The lock down bolt hole ... looks ok.


My new lock down bolt. One of the original rubber washers was ripped so I stacked some fender washers together.


Backside of trunk ... looking at the pivot bolt. besides the burnt wire ( no electrics anywhere) I thought I saw some cracks, but there is no edge to them and I don't see any water staining ... will recheck with the keel moving around to see what it looks like then.



Got under the boat to have a look see at the keel ... its a solid casting? I thought these were wrapped in glass? It also seems a little loose?
Quick video of the keel and how its hanging. Not sure how tight its supposed to be, but this seems a little loose?

http://youtu.be/a1PxuFOiv4o