Gaining access for installing a bow roller

[dive4it]

I believe I mounted them on the black stripe....I'll have to double check since it was over a year ago....I can't remember. I'm pretty sure it's on the black stripe though. I know it was pretty high up.

JT

[DaveB]

Do you have pictures? I am curious what you are doing and how it's mounted.
Dave

I believe I mounted them on the black stripe....I'll have to double check since it was over a year ago....I can't remember. I'm pretty sure it's on the black stripe though. I know it was pretty high up.

JT

[vizwhiz]

Do you have pictures? I am curious what you are doing and how it's mounted.
Dave

I believe I mounted them on the black stripe....I'll have to double check since it was over a year ago....I can't remember. I'm pretty sure it's on the black stripe though. I know it was pretty high up.

JT

Yeah, I was gonna ask the same question about where you mounted them, and would love to see some pics also.

To OP - sorry about the hijack again.

[Tomfoolery]

I also have some concern with the angle of the lights with them mounted far forward, the bow angle would mean the radius is shining further forward. So less visible from a vessel abeam
Dunn’s install has them at the beam so the angles would be right, but I don’t like that position myself.

I'd be concerned, too. Depending on the angle of the hull at the bow, you can get a pretty wide window where no lights can be side on either side, and a pretty big window off the bow where both can be seen.

Proper installation has no point unlit . . .



but angled toward each other, you can have a very wide area that's unlit under sail, or showing white (masthead) only even when looking straight at the beam or even a little forward of it . . .



by the better part of half a mile wide dead zone when one mile away, in the pic above (just an eyeball estimate of the bow angle). Doesn't sound too bad unless it's a go-fast boat that's going fast in the dark, or a freighter, or not-so-good weather when it's hard enough as it is without an invisible boat in front of you. Just sayin'.

[fouz]

I have been installing a bow roller today (more like removing cleats and such)and called the boat and anyone who put it together many bad names.

Unless you cut something up you are not going to reach any thing on a late model X.

I would like some opinions on my idea.

Top of the bow is getting a triangle peice of SS that will cover the the whole top (from light to the anchor locker). Will have 5200 all under it when installed. This part im not worried about. Bow roller will be welded to the plate and the cleats bolted thru.

The bottom (the backing plate inside) I cut a rectangle plate of SS that covers the the area of both SS cleats. I going to tig weld the SS nuts to this plate in the same pattern as the top part ( just both cleats) and cover it well with 5200.

To install the bottom, im going to drop two small ropes thought the top cleat holes (1 port, 1 star) and then thread them though the bottom plate and tie a knot. Cover bottom with 5200. Then pull the two ropes to get the backplate in place and make sure everything lines up and put the bolts in temporary for a few day and let the 5200 set. Now I won't have to mess the bottom no more.

Not sure if SS backing plate is the best but I thought with about 1/4" of 5200 it won't matter.

I just can't reach up in there. To get the cleats out it took about 3' of extensions and a swivel and alot of cussin.

Looking for opinions or maybe give someone some ideas.
Maybe use 4200 in place of 5200?

[dive4it]

I just got back into the state last night. I'll get some photos and post them this week.

JT

[Wind Chime]

Nice autocad drawing tkanzler!
Your drawing articulates exactly what I was concerend about.

It is an easier install to mount the side running lights on the bow hull instead of running them through the pullpit tubing, and up to the top of the pullpit, but there is a trade off of best (legal) visability.

[Tomfoolery]

Remember that they're technically called 'side lights', and there is no requirement that they be up front. Large boats usually have them quite far back, in fact. They exist to show which way the boat is pointed, and whether or not it's under power via the presence or absence of a masthead (steaming) light, and aren't intended to be side markers in the sense that motor vehicles use them to show the length. Some folks here have mounted individual side lights in the black area between the ports on the side of their boats, where not much correction is needed to get them aimed correctly.

Here's a Kadey-Krogen 52, with the sidelights at the aft end of the nameboard above the pilothouse.



And some kind of aluminium work boat with sidelights similarly back.



There is a requirement that side lights be mounted above the working deck, but I'd trade that off for visibility per the COLREGS in a heartbeat. Probably has something to do with visibility in a seaway, breaking waves, rough water, rocking and rolling, and all that jazz.

[Catigale]

It isn't a concern for 99 percent of us that are casual sailors, but the. COLREGS don't allow for "additional lights" for visibility...you equip your boat as specified and no more. This is so some one observing you knows exactly what our orientation is based on what lights s/he can and cannot see.

Boat orientation, not personal orientation.

[Tomfoolery]

It isn't a concern for 99 percent of us that are casual sailors, but the. COLREGS don't allow for "additional lights" for visibility...you equip your boat as specified and no more. This is so some one observing you knows exactly what our orientation is based on what lights s/he can and cannot see.

Boat orientation, not personal orientation.

Are you referring to a particular post? Did I miss something?