Really Entry Level Sail Boats

[Divecoz]

I am all over that one brother..

They can joke and tell tall tales all the want , meanwhile we have enough money left over to actually take our boats out and use them !

Q: It's 150 miles from Toronto to Kingston. Between two sailboats, one $25,000 and the other $80,000, which will get there faster?

A: The $25,000 boat - because it can leave 5 years sooner!

[Gater Dunn]

this is what I will down size to when my mac gets to much to handle. the 12 ft Scamp https://www.ghboats.com/

[Y.B.Normal]

Q: It's 150 miles from Toronto to Kingston. Between two sailboats, one $25,000 and the other $80,000, which will get there faster?

A: The $25,000 boat - because it can leave 5 years sooner!

A2: The Mac - because it can go 55 mph.

[Catigale]

this is what I will down size to when my mac gets to much to handle. the 12 ft Scamp https://www.ghboats.com/

The official small sailboat of choice for the Macgregor Forum is the Boston Whaler Harpoon

That's because two of the Mods own them and we type the fastest..

[Whipsyjac]

We purchased our 3 years ago, we've rebuilt the motor, installed a DSC VHF Radio with Gps, new VHF antenna, new safety gear, 75% of the running rigging, a new highly upgraded Genoa from JudyB, new batteries, new trailer tires, new bulkhead compass, many little things, and second only to the engine costs PAID the taxes......

And we still haven't passed the $20,000 mark. We're getting close though. All in all buying a Mac New or Used gets you into cruising for less than a new minivan. Oops forgot the new steering helm unit and BWY custom steering kit.

Practical Sailor has it's place.....right beside the other bathroom reading

Willy

If you want honest reviews of equipment makes some new friends around the marina or join a local club.

[JotaErre]

My 1998 X cost me €15.000 (that's about US$18.000) three years ago. It's the largest boat I can afford, and it suits my needs really well.

In a Spanish sailing forum where the MacGregor is the official pet hate, I have become "The Mac Defender"... but, a very traditional sailor, one of the most respected people in the forum told me: "I'll never admit having said this, but, taking into account what people use their sailboats for, 90% of them would be perfectly off with a MacGregor".

[Freedom77]

As I have stated on more than one occasion, "Yacht is the way you describe your boat to someone who has never seen it." Fair Winds and Full Sails.

P.S. Hey Steve K, Get in touch with me, Woody

[JotaErre]

As I have stated on more than one occasion, "Yacht is the way you describe your boat to someone who has never seen it." Fair Winds and Full Sails.

P.S. Hey Steve K, Get in touch with me, Woody

When I describe my boat I say: "It's a sailboat with some sleeping space inside... I think calling it a "yacht" is exaggerating".

[seahouse]

When I describe my boat I say: "It's a sailboat with some sleeping space inside... I think calling it a "yacht" is exaggerating".

I agree.

While there has been historical drift in the use of the term (even in my lifetime), and it's not set in stone, to use “yacht” as a standalone term today implies that it's more in the range of 40 feet and up (apud Chapman's – which is the boater's bible). Around my area, if someone used the word “yacht” to describe his own Macgregor trailorsailor, unless he was being facetious I would think he was being pretentious. (And maybe a bit delusional). Underpromise and over-deliver is a good policy.

The word has actually been applied a few times to my Mac, but in lighthearted speech, and by someone who actually has seen it. And I'm always quick to point out that it is less than 40 feet long!

But perceptions are involved and it also depends on the environment. If you're in a marina among a lot of larger boats, it's not a yacht . If they're mostly smaller boats, it's closer to being a yacht . Maybe.

And if you maintain it yourself, it's not a yacht . If you pay someone else to maintain it, it's a yacht.

- Brian.

[dlandersson]

I say "sloop" - I'm sure its my ego (and for my kids sake) but I don't want to be confused with a fishin' boat with a 500 HP outboard.

If you have someone "help" maintain it - then what is it?

When I describe my boat I say: "It's a sailboat with some sleeping space inside... I think calling it a "yacht" is exaggerating".

I agree.

While there has been historical drift in the use of the term (even in my lifetime), and it's not set in stone, to use “yacht” as a standalone term today implies that it's more in the range of 40 feet and up (apud Chapman's – which is the boater's bible). Around my area, if someone used the word “yacht” to describe his own Macgregor trailorsailor, unless he was being facetious I would think he was being pretentious. (And maybe a bit delusional). Underpromise and over-deliver is a good policy.

The word has actually been applied a few times to my Mac, but in lighthearted speech, and by someone who actually has seen it. And I'm always quick to point out that it is less than 40 feet long!

But perceptions are involved and it also depends on the environment. If you're in a marina among a lot of larger boats, it's not a yacht . If they're mostly smaller boats, it's closer to being a yacht . Maybe.

And if you maintain it yourself, it's not a yacht . If you pay someone else to maintain it, it's a yacht.

- Brian.

[Capt Smitty]

"If you have someone "help" maintain it - then what is it"



A reason for your friends to come over and drink all your beer

[Ixneigh]

I was under the impression that a yacht is a craft used for pleasure, no matter what size. Usually implied a high level of maintenance and outfitting.
Ix

[wbpenney]

yacht
[yot]
noun
1.
a vessel used for private cruising, racing, or other noncommercial purposes.
verb (used without object)
2.
to sail, voyage, or race in a yacht.
Origin:
1550–60; < early Dutch jaght, short for jaghtschip hunting ship, equivalent to Dutch jacht hunt (derivative of jagen to hunt) + schip ship


yacht is a recreational boat. It designates two rather different classes of watercraft, sailing and power yachts. Yachts are differentiated from working ships mainly by their leisure purpose. It was not until the ascendancy of the steamboat and other types of powerboat that sailing vessels in general came to be perceived as luxury items. However, since the level of luxury on larger yachts has seen an increasing trend, the use of the word yacht to mean any sailing vessel has been diminishing and is more and more limited to racing yachts or cruising yachts.

Yacht lengths generally start at 32–35 feet (10–11 m) and go up to hundreds of feet. A mega yacht generally refers to any yacht (sail or power) above 100 ft (34 m) and a super yacht generally refers to any yacht over 200 ft (70 m). This size is small in relation to typical cruise liners and oil tankers.
History
Yacht (from Dutch Jacht meaning hunting , compare German Jagd ) was originally defined as a light, fast sailing vessel used by the Dutch navy to pursue pirates and other transgressors around and into the shallow waters of the Low Countries. After its selection by Charles II of England as the vessel of choice for his return to Britain from the Netherlands for his restoration, it came to be used to convey important persons. Later, the word came to designate a wider range of vessels, almost always in private use (i.e. not used for commercial carriage of cargo or passengers), propelled by sail, power, or both, and used for pleasure cruising or racing.
Construction materials and techniques

Until the 1950s, almost all yachts were made of wood, or steel in larger yachts, but a much wider range of materials is used today. Although wood hulls are still in production, the most common construction material is fibreglass, followed by aluminum, steel, carbon fibre, and ferrocement (rarer because of insurance difficulties). The use of wood has changed and is no longer limited to traditionally board-based methods, but also includes modern products such as plywood, veneers and epoxy resins. Wood is mostly used by hobbyists or wooden boat purists when building an individual boat.
Sailing yachts

Sailing yachts can range in overall length (Length Over All—LOA, in yachting parlance) from about 20 ft (6 m) to well over 100 ft (30 m), where the distinction between a yacht and a ship becomes blurred. Most privately owned yachts fall in the range of about 25–45 ft (7–14 m); the cost of building and keeping a yacht rises quickly as length increases. In the U.S., sailors tend to refer to smaller yachts as sailboats, while referring to the general sport of sailing as yachting. Within the limited context of sailboat racing, a yacht is any sailing vessel taking part in a race, regardless of size.

Modern yachts have efficient sail-plans, most notably the Bermuda rig, that allow them to sail towards the wind. This capability is the result of a sail-plan and hull design, typically a sloop rig, that utilizes Bernoulli's principle to generate lift.
Classification

Day sailing yachts Day sailing yachts are usually small, at under 20 ft (6 m) in length. Sometimes called dinghies, they often have a retractable keel, centerboard, or daggerboard. Most day sailing yachts do not have a cabin, as they are designed for hourly or daily use and not for overnight journeys. At best they may have a 'cubby', where the front part of the hull has a raised solid roof to provide a place to store equipment or to offer basic shelter from wind or spray.

Weekender yachts

Weekender yachts are slightly larger, at under 30 ft (9.5 m) in length. They often have twin keels or lifting keels such as in trailer sailers. This allows them to operate in shallow waters, and if needed "dry out"—become beached as the tide falls. The hull shape (or twin-keel layout) allows the boat to sit upright when there is no water. Such boats are designed to undertake short journeys, rarely lasting more than 2 or 3 days (hence their name). In coastal areas, long trips may be undertaken in a series of short hops. Weekenders usually have only a simple cabin, often consisting of a single "saloon" with bedspace for two to three people. Clever use of ergonomics allows space in the saloon for a galley (kitchen), seating, and navigation equipment. There is limited space for stores of water and food. Most are single-masted "Bermuda sloops" (not to be confused with the type of traditional Bermudian ship known as a Bermuda sloop), with a single foresail of the jib or genoa type and a single mainsail (one variation of the aforementioned Bermuda rig). Some are gaff rigged. The smallest of this type, generally called pocket yachts or pocket cruisers, and trailer sailers can be transported on special trailers.

Cruising yachts

Cruising yachts are by the far the most common yacht in private use, making up most of the 25 to 45 ft (7 to 14 m) range. These vessels can be quite complex in design, as they need a balance between docile handling qualities, interior space, good light-wind performance and on-board comfort. The huge range of such craft, from dozens of builders worldwide, makes it hard to give a single illustrative description. However, most favour a teardrop-planform hull, with a wide, flat bottom and deep single-fin keel to give good stability. Most are single-masted Bermuda rigged sloops, with a single fore-sail of the jib or Genoa type and a single mainsail. Spinnaker sails, in various sizes, are often supplied for down-wind use. These types are often chosen as family vessels, especially those in the 26 to 40-foot (8 to 12 m) range. Such a vessel will usually have many cabins below deck. Typically there will be three double-berth cabins; a single large saloon with galley, seating and navigation equipment; and a " head" consisting of a toilet and shower-room.

Most large yachts, 50 ft (15 m) and up, are also cruisers, but their design varies greatly as they are often "one off" designs tailored to the specific needs of the buyer.The interior is often finished in wood panelling, with plenty of storage space. Cruisers are quite capable of taking on long-range passages of many thousands of miles. Such boats have a cruising speed upwards of 6 knots. This basic design is typical of the standard types produced by the major yacht-builders.

[jrcanoe]

Long funny thread.after reading i decided I own sailing vessels.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-d ... yacht.html

[mastreb]

A Yacht is any boat you can't afford.