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Re: Camperize 26M?

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This should probably be it's own thread, so I'll keep it short. Yeah, right. :P

Start here >>> http://www.canals.ny.gov/index.shtml

The whole canal system is 525 miles long, but that includes spurs like the Cayuga-Seneca, Champlain, and Oswego canals, but I believe the Erie Canal proper is something like 300 miles long and runs from Lake Erie (Niagara River just north of Buffall) to the Hudson River in Albany. The Canal Corp. says to budget at least 5 days to cruise the whole length, but I suspect that's moving along at the speed limit, which varies from 5 mph/no wake to unlimited on open river stretches.

Lots and lots of small towns along the canal, most with facilities of some sort. Fairport is one of the best, and transients only pay $7 per night for a boat the size of the Macs, and that includes water, electric, head with showers, and pump-out. Pittsford next door has no dockage fees that I'm aware of, but also no utilities or facilities. But there are restaurants. People also tie up at the locks, which all have 99 year old bollards* big enough for freighters, especially if they get there too late to lock through.

Start with "The Cruising Guide" from the NYS Canal Corp. Also, use the Active Captain web site (sign up for free - it's worth it :wink: ), which has boater comments and reviews on towns, dockage, facilities, and so forth.

There is a fee for using the locks, and you aren't going far without them, but it's pretty cheap for either a season or a 10-day pass. The price goes up at 26 ft LOA, but my registration says 25 ft (probably because NYS doesn't bother with inches on the registration, and the boat is 25 ft 10 inches), so I get the middle rate (they check the reg. when you buy the pass, so you can't cheat on LOA). Unlimited bridge and lock operation with the pass. Use a hand-held at low power for bridge/lock operators, though you shouldn't need a bridge opening even with the mast elevated over the cockpit.

If you bring your mast, you can take a spur either north into Lake Ontario, or south into Cayuga Lake, or turn west just before Cayuga, through Seneca Falls (supposedly the inspiration for Bedford Falls in It's A Wonderful Life) into Seneca Lake. One of my sisters lives a stone's throw from the docks in Seneca, and one of these years I need to motor out to there, then spend some time noodling around Seneca or Cayuga Lake (the two largest Finger Lakes). It's probably a 2-day trip for me, launching in Fairport (west of town) and boating to where she lives. But this summer I'm headed off to Cape Cod for a week, so probably not this year. :(

Cruising the canal system is like New Year's Eve in Times Square - something you do once for the heck of it, but most don't do it a second time. Many Great Loopers use the canal system instead of Lake Ontario, in fact. It's certainly more boater friendly, as you can stop almost anywhere, and cities and towns are relatively close to each other. And it's shallow - you can drop anchor almost anywhere, as long as you're not in the travel 'lanes'. Very little current in most places, though it can get brisk when they fill or drain a lock, and of course, in the rivers, which were incorporated whenever possible to minimize the amount of excavation. The Genesee River is part of it, though it merely crosses the canal, and you can (and I have) boat right into downtown Rochester and tie up (before going over the falls :P ).

But this relates to the OP's topic in that you spend days trailering with the boat to get there, and days on the Canal, and you'll want to use your Waterbago with the mast down the same way you'd use it with the mast up. But you do have to do something about a masthead (steaming) light. And an anchor light, if planning on hunkering down on the hook somewhere. But those are handled easily enough.

*I believe next year is the 100th anniversary of the widened and rechristened Barge Canal System, though it was first opened in 1825!. :o
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The whole reason we bought 'boat' was because we are primarily motor home people, not sailor people, and the motor boat capabilities fit well with that lifestyle. The fact that I spent all of my youth on sailboats made the whole thing real easy for me but since we got 'boat' all we have been doing is sailing. Sailing is great but gee whiz, our first hobby is road travel - I get the hitch itch and I just gotta go - right now I'm going crazy because our jobs have us tied down - I think we were happier when we had lousy jobs that paid awful because we would tell work to cram it and we would go travel. Aside from being unemployed every 2 years that lifestyle was not so bad now that I look back. Having one of these respectable steady good pay jobs might be nice for the IRS but it's just killing me - I really love the job but I am always wondering what I am giving up in return for just a little more money - I hope I don't have any regrets.

Anyways

I tow 'boat' with a motor-home: (a 2004 sprinter diesel van that I converted to a motor-home), so 'boat' would not need to endure the rigors of a waterbago when I travel long distances over land. Still, that's a really long haul for me. If only I had started all this stuff as a young man - but alas, even 10 years ago I could not have afforded it. I have been poor most of my life. I don't know if I have enough time to make up for lost ground. I want road trips for Lake Powell and the Key West, and the Sacramento Delta and now I think I might add the "Erie Canal" to the list too. And I have not even looked at the Mississippi yet!

I guess my wife and I really need to start talking about at least one of us retiring before it's too late.

Thanks for the info - I am going to study the "Erie Canal" stuff and plan a camping trip.
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Based on those comments, maybe The Great Loop would be good for you. But it'll take some time. Like almost a year. :D But others here have done it, or most of it, so it's perfectly do-able in a Mac. And it would hit a lot of the places you want to try. 8)
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Tomfoolery wrote:Based on those comments, maybe The Great Loop would be good for you. But it'll take some time. Like almost a year. :D But others here have done it, or most of it, so it's perfectly do-able in a Mac. And it would hit a lot of the places you want to try. 8)
It sounds like great fun - it's cheap to travel by van - walmarts, rest stops and campgrounds have allowed us to travel all over the united states for weeks at a time for next to nothing - when we travel the only real added expense is gasoline or diesel - the eating and everything else we would have been spending anyways even at home - so for us it's a really cheap way to see everything with no money and we have been doing it now for over 30 years.

Now we have this boat and we can really do the same thing with the boat on the back if we wanted - only now we can actually afford to stay at a real live RV campground or RV campground marina. They have really nice ones all over the country - the Channel Islands is best explored from Oxnard Harbor and they have a campground for motorhomes and each campsite includes a slip!! And in New York they have Liberty Harbor - we stayed there, but I think Upstate looks more interesting but I don't know anyone up there.

For the first time in my life I'm not just the usual trailer trash stealthing around the countryside slumming for free digs - now I just need the time to take advantage of it. I like to read about Sumners adventures and Chinnook and the other guys that take the tours. I think "waterbago"ing is a great way to go - I would love to travel with others that do the "waterbago" thing - it sounds like great fun.
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Just my take, but I don't recommend putting a lot of effort into finding buddies to accompany you on your extended travels. It's rare that you'll find someone with interests, travel pace, and timetable close enough to yours to allow spending extended time together. One of the great things about extended cruising is getting to know folks along the way. You're bound to make new friends, and you encounter familiar boats and people frequently along the way.
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I had a new mast crutch made & modified as it became part of my ach set-up
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the old mounting tubes were removed & welded onto the new mast crutch
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new thicker angled ones were installed to conform with the rear ach angle & being a thicker wall r much stronger & the new mast crutch fit in it a lot tighter
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I then cut my old mast crutch made it shorter so as to use it as an mast crutch extension with tree adjustable heights
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here it is installed in it,s lowest of 3 possitions , this is the possition I use for trailering & allows me to leave my full enclosure frame standing for the most part
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this allows me covered standing room in the cockpit for when I was working on the boat this winter
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when in the full up possition I can lower the mast with my full enclosure on
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So gives me the best of both worlds just showin u what can b done to hte :macm:
Not sure if Nick has a full enclosure tho

J 8)
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Thanks guys - this looks like a never-ending story with the wealth of information popping up. Wonderful what the minds of Mac hath wrought.

:idea: :) :idea:
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Tom is holding down the western end of the Erie Canal and I'm at the Eastern terminus. I have friends in Buffalo who are avid sailors who will help anyone out, too.

I believe this year (2017) the entire Canal system is free with respect to usage fees to celebrate the anniversary.

Most boats are astounded to find out how cheap stuff is on the Canal as cost of living in upstate is way lower than NYC, and the tradition of adding boat tax to consumables has been rejected by the Canal towns
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Catigale wrote:Tom is holding down the western end of the Erie Canal and I'm at the Eastern terminus. I have friends in Buffalo who are avid sailors who will help anyone out, too.
Anyone needs local knowledge, tools for repairs and/or a ride to a marine or auto parts store (WM is 15 minutes from me), a ride to a supermarket, or whatever, I'm here. 8)
Catigale wrote:I believe this year (2017) the entire Canal system is free with respect to usage fees to celebrate the anniversary.
I hadn't heard that, but that may be why the Authority's web page for costs and buying a pass says 'page under construction'. But I'd be surprised if the towns that do charge, don't continue to charge, as it's so cheap, and they have to pay the dockmasters. Six months in Fairport is only $1260, or a little more than half the cost of my marina. Many boats there are there all summer, every year. Mostly medium and large power boats. Sort of a summer house kind of thing, as folks are on them all weekend, and often during the week. The town even specifies the north bank for long-term dockage, as the south bank is more transient friendly, with showers and such on that side.
Catigale wrote:Most boats are astounded to find out how cheap stuff is on the Canal as cost of living in upstate is way lower than NYC, and the tradition of adding boat tax to consumables has been rejected by the Canal towns
Ayup. See above. :wink: Lotta griping from the general population about the Thruway Authority supporting the canal system with toll money (but ownership has been transferred to the Power Authority as of Jan 1), but it's basically a big state park system that a lot of people enjoy (parks, bike/walking on the tow path, park benches in the towns for boat watching, etc.), and which brings money to the towns on the canals in the form of restaurant and store business. Many of the locks even have a public viewing area, and there's always people watching the boats lock through.

One of the benefits of living way the heck up here, where winters are white and gray, and very long. :|

Edit: Catigale is correct - a Notice to Mariners on the Canal Corp.'s site says:
NYS Canal Corp wrote:Mariners are advised that, conditions permitting, all portions of the New York State Canal System are scheduled to open Friday, May 19, 2017, at 10:00 a.m. for the 2017 navigation season.

Additionally, in commemoration of the bicentennial of the start of Erie Canal construction in 1817, there will be no tolls or fees for recreational use of the Canal System in 2017.
Construction of the original started 200 years ago. Yikes! The part through Rochester was moved 100 years ago, but it originally went over the Genesee River on an aqueduct (built in the 1830's), which is still there but has Broad Street built on top of it. The bit with the smaller arches is what was added, but the waterway is still intact, just without water (it held subway tracks at one point).

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The canal incorporates the river farther to the south, with guard gates on either side (moveable dam structures) to isolate it from the river in the winter, when the canal is drained. There was talk of rewatering it so boats could go right into the downtown area, sort of like the Riverwalk in San Antonio, but that doesn't look like it's happening. They peed the money away on a fast ferry to Toronto. With four 11,000 hp MTU diesels to drive it. Which lasted a few months. Then sold for pennies on the dollar. You could drive to Toronto in the same amount of time, and have a car once there. And nobody in Toronto wanted to go to Rochester. :x But I digress.

And for you big band fans, Buddy Rich recorded "Buddy Rich: At the Top" (1973) in the flying saucer on the left, when it was the Top Of The Plaza night club and revolving restaurant.
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