Motor Upgrade question.

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Thanks again, all.

Another reason I didn't like the Honda was only 10amp charging, compared to 18 amp for the Mercury.

Robert,
I'll thank you for the good/bad dealers, and I'm sure some of your neighbours will appreciate the info, but all are a very -long- way for me. But thanks all the same.

My order is confirmed and the new one goes on next week. Can't wait to get out there and try it.

Cheers,
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crackles

Suzuki DF50 : Cutting edge Technology , Chain Driven Dual Overhead Camshafts combined with todays 4-valve per cylinder and balanced 3-cylinder crankshaft configuration. (120-degree separation on the throws of the crank makes a smooth powerful package for the lightest of the computerized fuel injected 4-strokes with the highest rating for low emissions)
Dont underestimate the DF50 Suzuki for a well-balanced Sailing/Motoring experience. Larger engines provide marginal speed increases in smooth water, but the choice for a lighter engine provides a better balance for Sailing and Motoring, and does not exceed the Manufacturers Written Warranty or create insurance problems. Suzukis proven reliability and award winning design would be my choice. Dealer support is essential for most MacGregor owners.

The DF50 is a 3-cylinder 50 hp as opposed to the larger/heavier 4-cylinder 4-cycle engines and has remarkable performance for its size. The High Revving (7200 rpm limiter) with the right propeller, produces excellent boat speed, capitalizing on it's higher output with durability and economy.
Great Engines/Neat Package

PS Works great with the UNIFLEX control for the Suzuki DF50 outboard engine.

Clean profile of the Uniflex-B184 engine control
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Just when I thought I had it sorted !

thanks
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Post by joe povey »

I have to agree. Expect this engine OK, but my dealer, who is difficult to get to, and then is pretty useless, has been my problem.

Think the most importent criteria for an EFI computer troubleshot (if that a word) engine, is a dealer who understands service. I paid about $6K for my engine, waited 3 weeks for installation (in the winter), have trailered it back twice with no positive results, and doubt they even looked at it. Didn't know there was a prop selection.

They're Tuckerton Marine, in the town of that name in NJ, and are not really quality people.

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Post by Frank C »

Joe,

Not sure if I ever posted this before. Browns Point Marine Service sells all the parts online, but they have also rendered lots of phone advice about my Suzuki. It might be worth a phone call to explain your issues, and if they're too far, maybe even to ask referral to a nearby dealer. This is a blurb from their website.

Brown's Point Marina,Suzuki Marine Outboards, Outboard Mail Order Parts.
Browns Point Marine Service is located in Laurence Harbor, NJ and we are one of Suzuki's oldest and largest dealers in the U.S. We maintain the Largest Suzuki Outboard Motor inventory in the region and offer parts and service both retail and Wholesale.
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I like the tohatsu 90, blahblahblah, it makes mac a real power boat, blah blah blah. Boy, there must be a way to archive all the motor info that has been posted over the last couple of years, because it gets repeated monthly! Heath, how bout dropping some of the little used sections, and devoting one to outboards! We need to keep this stuff handy!
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Post by Moe »

About this time last year, I went to all the outboard manufacturer's and a few prop sailes web sites and gathered information from them. I then applied some basic grade-school arithmetic to come up with some other numbers and put all the data in a basic HTML table.

MacGregor 26X/M Outboard Comparison

Someone suggested I add a row to show weight/HP for not just the motors, but the motor on a similarly loaded boat. That's a great idea, especially to show the benefit of a 90HP motor, but I never got around to it.

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Moe, my Etec swings a 14" prop...
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Is your E-Tec a 50/60 or 90?

By 14" do you mean diameter or pitch?

If pitch, does it let you get to the top end of Evinrude's recommended maximum rpm range for that motor, when lightly loaded at WOT?

More importantly, when ballasted and heavily loaded, does it allow the motor to get within Evinrude's recommended maximum rpm range at WOT?

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<--- I have a 40 hp E-tec, which is the same engine as what you list as the 50/60. Actually, the model is 40/50/60... The dealer said the only difference was in the EMM, the electronic brain... Which has got me thinking that I'm going to buy a 60hp EMM, as soon as my warranty runs out...

Yes, I mean 14" diameter.

For pitch, I typically run 9". That's a bit too little for lightly loaded, over 6k rpm, but works fine for heavy loads. A 10" would probably be ideal, but they don't make 10" and I've not been real happy with results of having a prop shop make a 10"... Anyway, 11" is just too much for 40hp, but might work for a 50 and likely would work well, or be too little, for a 60 hp.

I thought we went through this before, when you first introduced that cart...
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We probably did go over this, and I apologize for my senility. :?

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Post by LOUIS B HOLUB »

I picked up a "free" Evinrude DVD from a boat dealer yesterday. I had no idea the ETEC system is so efficient and powerful. Comparisons between the ETEC and 4 stroke shows the ETEC double in torgue and speed. Amazingly, the ETEC is described as much more environmentally favored. My 50 HP Nissan, 3 carbs, has less than 40 hours, or otherwise I think I would consider an ETEC.
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Post by Bobby T.-26X #4767 »

based on all of the info out there...
if i was upgrading an out of warranty Mac today I would go ETEC 90.

- lightweight
- fuel efficient
- quiet
- 3 Star rated


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Bob T

Allison is said to be Producing a Prototype Outboard,
It may just be your next upgrade!

They can call it DaBuba

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