CANAM 05' San Juan-Gulf Island Flotilla

[mgg4]

Can you take it somewhere else?

Sorry to disagree, but I think Duane's information is on point for the flotilla participants. We are all going to need to update our charts, and it is very helpful to know what is going on with this dispute.

It's not like there have been a majority of the posts on this topic. The number of posts, and the relevance to the overall thread topic, make this sub-thread useful, and not the least bit objectionable. At least IMHO.

--Mark

[Tom Spohn]

I agree with Mark. We will all need charts in Canada.

[Captain Steve]

Duane posted earlier that our whole trip is available on one Canadian Chart...is there an internet source for them? and do they print on demand?
Hope C map has a chip for this area.

[eworthy]

Alright be selfish keep this information to ourselves. forget that any Mac boat plying Canadian Waters may be needing this info not just the flotilla participants.

We still have 6 months to go and we already have 11 pages in this discussion. I just thought it would make sense for the NDI stuff to be in a separate thread accessible to all that need it and not enlarging our already large trip discussions.

I've been wrong before. Hey, just last week I was thinking I'd made a mistake about something or other.


Eric

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Steve,

The revised routes are almost all on chart 3462. This covers the entire San Juans and the southern Gulf Islands up to almost the northern tip of Salt Spring. This is a 1:80,000 chart that will serve for most purposes although you might want more detail for a few of the harbors. Unfortunately the Conover Cove area and the Telegraph Harbor area is just a bit too far north and are off the chart. You can add 3463, also a 1:80,000 and get this northern area.

For a more detailed view you could go to the 1:40,000 series. 3442 covers the northern gulf areas, 3441 covers the southern gulf area. You have to switch over to US charts to get the San Juans at the higher detail.

The trip through the middle of the San Juans is covered on 18434 and 18430. These are 1:25,000 charts.

I don't think you'll find you can buy single Canadian E-Charts in any format. I looked extensively last year and had to buy the entire region known as 'P1' from NDI.

C-Map sells this area as well in a couple different ways. If you already have the US San Juan Area which also includes the southern Gulfs, you can add the wide+ ($199) cartridge NA-C701 'Strait of Georgia'. This gives you the entire inside passage along Vancouver Island from midway up the Gulf Island north.

Another choice if you need the US as well is wide+ NA-C604 'Puget Sound to Vancouver'. This covers all of Puget sound from Olympia north including the San Juans and adds the Gulf Islands north to what looks to be about Nanaimo and across to Vancouver. It would cover the whole area on a single cartridge.

And a bigger choice would be superwide+ ($299) NA-C621 'Puget Sound to Cracroft Island'. This covers Puget Sound and the Canadian inside passage almost up to the northern tip of Vancouver Island. It doesn't go quite as far north as the C701.

Navionics Gold XL3 region 13 gives you all of the inside passage and puget sound for only $199 if your equipment supports these charts. It covers a larger area than C-Map C621 for less money. They are available on MMC or CF flash cards.

In the raster charts world region P1 will get you everything but the San Juan area is only at 1:80,000 detail. You can also get a S-57 for this area as well if you software supports these new vector charts. To get higher detail raster charts you can add what is known as region 15 in the US or go to one of the many sources that sell individual US e-charts such as www.marineplanner.com. Unfortunately none of these sites sell individual Canadian e-charts.

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Updated Information

I just finished a major update of the CANAM05 MacGregor Flotilla information at my website.

You will now find overview charts for all three loops along with the planned stops, contact info for all the marinas along the way, customs info, and a suggested equipment list.

I'll get the passage notes up in a bit.

Duane

[jklightner]

When I was at the Seattle Boat Show, I picked up a Gulf Islands Chart 3313. It's a big spiral bound thing, 24" x 18" and has charts that range from 1:200,000 down to 1:10,000 of harbors. It was $80.00 and he threw in the 2005 Ports and Passes book. (Love those last day deals ) Also a fold up that includes GPS waypoints. I also got the Maptech San Juans. ( I used their Puget Sound one and it's great) With my GPS loaded up with the Blue Chart, if I get lost, it will be operator error for sure! (these were bought from Armchair Sailor in Seattle. They have a website and a 800#)

I'm off tomorrow for 3 weeks vacation in Hawai'i to visit family and warm up these bones. Unfortunatly, when I return I have to go to Chicago (brrr...)

[Captain Steve]

Thanks for all the info, Duane. I cant seem to get it all onto the page when I print it out. Is there a setting I am missing???

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Even in landscape it's too wide. I'll go through and reformat it so it's sized for lanscape printing with 1/2" margins. Shouldn't take long to drag stuff around later this afternoon.

That's a drawback to working on these great widescreen monitors that show tons of information. It's just too tempting to fill the whole screen up.

[Tom Spohn]

I am using the BlueChart MUS023R chip with my Garmin 178C.

http://www.garmin.com/cartography/bluec ... ku=MUS023R

I also have the CHS 3313 charts and the Maptech charts for Puget Sound through the San Juans.

Duane, Do you see any problems??

[mgg4]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Even in landscape it's too wide. I'll go through and reformat it so it's sized for lanscape printing with 1/2" margins. Shouldn't take long to drag stuff around later this afternoon.

That's a drawback to working on these great widescreen monitors that show tons of information. It's just too tempting to fill the whole screen up.

It actually works to print it to Legal in Landscape, but works even better when printed to 11x17 Landscape. Still, it would be nice to have this in a format that would fit easily into the binder I've created for this trip.

--Mark

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

I narrowed things down. It should print fine on landscape letter paper with 0.5 left and right margins.

[Captain Steve]

Thanks, Duane...got me a printout just fine!

[eworthy]

Very nice work on the site Duane. Lots of good info there.
I have been gather some as well. I will try to post some of it here as I pull it together.

I don't know if the "Can I bring my gun?" was a serious question but I got a lot of info at the Canada Customs booth at the Vancouver Boat Show.

The simple answer to the gun question was NO. Under no circumstances can a handgun be brought into Canada. "Canada is a handgun-free Country" was the officers reply. Minimum penalty for trying: $500 fine, confiscation of the weapon and oodles of paperwork. Make a fuss and you can imagine how much nastier it gets from there. Your U.S. occupation does not influence the Canada Customs boys and girls.

"Dubyuh" was up here recently. Of course that means security up the ying-yang, our and yours. I not sure what the protocol is for US SS Agents but unless your protecting the President best not cross the border with a handgun.

Shotguns it seems are allowed if sealed in a locked container with shells sealed in a separate locked container.

I'll have a list of other things you cannot bring into Canada in a future post.

Can one of you prepare a list of thing we cannot bring into the States?

Its crazy but many fresh fruits and vegetables are on the list of things you can't bring here and we can't bring there. Each time you cross the border you have to dump your banned fresh stuff and reprovision on that side of the border only to dump it again when you come back.

Never know what might be lurking in the orange. Of course we can't grow oranges in the Great White North, so that orange we cannot bring into the US came from the US to start with but that doesn't seem to influence the decision only that it now has Canadian cooties.

Ours is not to reason why....

Eric

[Tom Spohn]

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http://www.toolworks.com/bilofsky/tidetool/