Discussions relating to the MacGregor line of trailerable sailboats
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BOAT wrote:"rant" was the correct term - that was accurate.
I'm not smart enough to have theories.
My dream is they DON'T. Fewer decent power-sailers along the lines of the Mac 26X and M out there means mine'll be worth just that much more some day. Seriously, I wish nothing but the best for Roger MacGregor and his. They're all welcome aboard any time. Still, if it comes down to a choice between a big successful revival of the Tattoo marque and that cute little blonde MacGregor gal with the fruit plate in that Mac promo film getting a beach house in the Keys or my wife or kids getting an extra 10 Grand or more when I go off to have that long long chat with Elvis, I already know how I'm voting.miamistyle wrote:I disagree with Boat.
Sage marine is making small sailboats.
West wight potter is making small sailboats.
Com pac is making small, slightly more expensive sailboats.
None of those can motor quickly. Which is why I have not purchased one of those others.
Sometimes you just have to build it and they will come, like in field of dreams.
rise. Of course, the boats I see for sale at higher prices are not.......selling, that is. 
I do - bridge building is one of the basic troll skills they teach us in troll skool and that was where I learned to shape wood stuff - and that's how I make my living - I sit here under the bridge waiting for someone to cross and then I surprise them and make them pay a toll for using my bridge. (In other words, I write software from home).sailboatmike wrote:Trolls have a reputation for living under bridges, Im not sure if BOAT actually lives under a bridge
I was thinking of this earlier as well. However, BOAT is mingling two separate issues; (1) sailing / trailer-sailing as it relates to the middle class & (2) with power-sailors as the reference point. His position seems to read that anything other than a trailerable sailboat with a big HP motor and anything other than what Roger has brought to the table is irrelevant.miamistyle wrote:I disagree with Boat.
Sage marine is making small sailboats.
West wight potter is making small sailboats.
Com pac is making small, slightly more expensive sailboats.
None of those can motor quickly. Which is why I have not purchased one of those others.
Sometimes you just have to build it and they will come, like in field of dreams.
While catering to the custom & options whims of customers may work for some manufacturers, the challenge is in the extra inventory, space, machinery, personnel, money, logistics that would add to an operation. Roger seemed to run a lean operation that got X number of units out the door with little to no advertising. Look at how many of us have modded our boats to suit our tastes / needs and have come up with a different solution to the same problem. Imagine how far out Roger would have to extend his operation to accomplish that. Perhaps part of the MacGregor success was not offering more, but delivering less.sailboatmike wrote:Maybe boat manufacturers need to take note of car companies tactics for driving profit margin, and as we all know its all about making a dollar.
Roger followed Henry Fords lead of mass production, basically each boat was identical, like the model T Ford, this is great for keeping costs down, I believe the Model T was available in three colours, Black, Black and Black,
But car companies know the real money is in the optional extras which are much easier to sell at the point of order than later on when the client has the product.
Simple things like upgraded sails, maybe some wood trim, upgraded trailer upgraded cushions etc. make up the DELUXE version with a nice big DELUXE sticker defining it as the desirable option over the standard GL version ,
While I salute Roger for his manufacturing innovation for boats, leaving owners to do their own upgrades is like pouring money they would of payed you down the drain.
We all know storage is poor in our boats, yet where is the optional factory cupboards and tank locker covers?
Back in Autumn 2016 was claiming a Spring 2017 delivery on their new 23's. So far, still just Photoshop pics, a scale model, and a prototype mold under construction. Any thing else of substance? Can you say Wing-Z?!K9Kampers wrote:
If no news is good news, then Ventura Sport Boats' lack of updates on their website & FB means that they are only weeks away from delivering on their Venture 23. Imagine that... going from a amateur digital image and scale model to delivering a new boat in six months!
Hey no-cross posting unless you also cross-dress...oh, Andrew, my bad - never mind...K9Kampers wrote:Back in Autumn 2016 was claiming a Spring 2017 delivery on their new 23's. So far, still just Photoshop pics, a scale model, and a prototype mold under construction. Any thing else of substance? Can you say Wing-Z?!K9Kampers wrote:
If no news is good news, then Ventura Sport Boats' lack of updates on their website & FB means that they are only weeks away from delivering on their Venture 23. Imagine that... going from a amateur digital image and scale model to delivering a new boat in six months!
if ever. so I reached out to the Ventura folks. They told me their prototype will be at the Miami Beach Boat show this year. or close up shop and say we are through.