Container shipping a Mac to Europe

marsanden · Post by **marsanden** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:41 pm

He said that in Rome which has a big problem with gypsy's pickpockets, ...........

BK, an experience , a bad experience, cannot be enough to define a people. A vacation in Miami can probably result more dangerous than one in Rome.

By the way..... i cant believe that the only thing you remember of the Europeans people is that they don't love to stand in line..

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Nautimoments, a boat, not CE approved ,cannot be sold in Europ .
The mac imported in Europ are so much expencive than in US , cause lots of improvements must be done on it to be CE certificated.

NautiMoments · Post by **NautiMoments** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:45 am

I have been trying to find out what has to be done to the boat to get CE approval. If I could even locate a company that updates the Macs being imported right now, that would be great. I emailed MacGregor's daughter and husband, who look after the export from the factory to Europe, but found them very uncooperative and misleading. Container shipping your boat around the world then cruising is supposed to be the next thing on the horizon and I think the Mac serves this purpose perfectly. Any info anyone could provide would be great.

Ken

BK · Post by BK » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:52 am

Marsanden, I love Italy. What person would not? The food, sights and history is great. I would love to live in Europe as the US history is a little short for me and I have to get my yearly history fix in Europe.
We were talking about getting through airports and in general people in Europe get a little close to you than US people.
Are you saying there is no problem with gypsy pickpockets in Milan, Florance or Rome? I myself have had several experiences with them, especially the children. 2 of them hold up a map at each end and then ask for directions. They then use their middle hands to pickpocket you. They tell tourists to stay off the underground in Rome as that is one of their hangouts.
Every tour book tells you the particular problems of visiting a place and everyone I looked at warns of the gypsys.
BTW, the US is a great bargin for you Europeans right now as the Euro is strong. Also. I don't think the Blue Grotto in Capi is worth $20 to see.The museum in Naples of Pompi treasures was the highlight of our trip. Pizza was invented in Naples and it is the best.
How come nothing in Europe is supersized? No big hummers either.

Frank C · Post by **Frank C** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:45 pm

The safer approach might just be to buy a new Mac for delivery in Europe, then sell it before coming home. Have Macgregor quote it for you, and get a full list of what enhancements they apply before shipping to EU. Then you can use their quoted list to judge the changes that are needed to your current boat.

NautiMoments · Post by **NautiMoments** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:03 pm

I looked into buying one over there but the price was over double the cost here. Also I want to add system and modifications to the boat and it is more convenient, and much cheaper to do it here. You know that a new Mac is a project waiting to happen.

I like your idea of a quote with a list of the enhancements they apply. One of the local chaps sent a Mac to Ireland about 3 years ago. At that time he sent it as deck cargo, not in a container, for about $1800.00 CDN pasos. From what I have been told at this point in time $3000.00 for a 40' container shipped to England would be about right.

Bill at BOATS 4 SAIL · Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:41 pm

BK wrote:We were talking about getting through airports

One more thing has been added to the list that you can't take aboard a plane - a Heisman Trophy.
The guy that got one this past Saturday was told he couldn't take it aboard, and had to ship it.
So, those of you who have one (or more) don't say I didn't tell you when you try to take one (or more) aboard a plane.

marsanden · Post by **marsanden** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:23 pm

The museum in Naples of Pompei treasures was the highlight of our trip.

Wow , Bt, u were so close to my home ( salerno is 50 Km south of naples)...next time u will come here, please email me, ure gonna be on my Mac as a guest.

Nautimoments:
I dont know the lists of impruvements to let a mac become CE .
Sure the farm knows the list cause they take all the modifications to the boat and the trail before shipping them to Europe.
But if u take your boat, then follow the list and make all the modifications, then u need the Ce certificate, and to obtain it u have to pay lots of money..............

A new mac, in Italy , costs 25000,00€ ( plus 20% taxes ) without engine.

For you,It could be a good business buying one here, then , after your trips, sell it back.

Or , better , buying a good 2-3 yrs old mac here in Europe ( it means CE Certific.) and ,after all your holidays, sell it again.

May be you save the most part of your money.

Phillip · Post by **Phillip** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:51 pm

I wonder if you shouldn't get an accurate cost of the shipping.
The calculator below may be helpful to get a rough idea.
Remember, the Company concerned will take your request seriously and you will recieve an e-mail from them following up your enquiry.
You will have to add to their quote the cost of packing the boat in to the container, and they will not give you a firm price until they have your boat in their hands and know exactly what they are up for.
Then comes the costs for unpacking/recieving Ports costs and charges/quarantine/registration etc.

https://www.freight-calculator.com/apxocean.asp

believe me, it is not a simple process in so much as a lot of time is involved.

As for requirements re importing in to another country.
Go to the Customs and Excise Dept,
and Quarantine,
and the Dept (usualy Vehicles)
in the country you are importing in to, and get the facts.
They will readily give you the precise requirements.
If you don't meet those requirements, you are in trouble with costs/time/fines etc.
Don't be dishartened. Probably 80% of what you purchase comes to you exactly the same way by people no different to you and me, so it is very do-able.
Mine should have been in its container and on the high seas 2 weeks back, but it isn't. But guess what....the next time I do this.....it will be a walk in the park.
Get you facts, not hear-say, then work out your plan.

Cheers
Phillip

BK · Post by BK » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:03 am

Marsanden, Thank you very much for the invite, very nice of you, our next Euro trip is to the Greece Islands. I especially want to see the island of Rhodes as this was Julies Ceasur's summer retreat.
All my life I wanted to visit Pompei and it lived up to my expectations. Many people do not know that the treasures of Pompei are in the Naples museum. They think they are in Pompei and miss this. The Naples museum is Italy's National museum and is world class and rankes up there with the other top world museums. It is not to be missed.

NautiMoments · Post by **NautiMoments** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:17 am

Phillip, thanks for the info. Sorry for taking so long to reply but these 12-14hr days are cutting into my computer time, can't wait to retire. The prices from that site are not exactly what I have found here but since I will not be shipping until the early spring of 2010 this is just a budget figure. Since we will be living on the boat for 1 to 1 1/2 years and require many system upgrades to do this our choices are to either to buy a different type of boat or ship this one. I have enough time to modify the boat to make it liveable and since we will be in the canals or near marinas we should not be too confined. We will not be importing the boat into the EU and thus do not have to comply with all the CE requirements but intend on complying with most. Anyways, have a great holiday season and thanks for the info. Any other info is greatly appreciated.

Phillip · Post by **Phillip** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:00 pm

Nautimoments:
I have experienced a lot of "hick-ups" so far, and no doubt have a few more to overcome.....all related to my lack of knowledge.
But "when you are the leader of the pack, the scenery changes all the time"
What I intend to do is: when my Mac 26X is in my hands here in Okker-land, I will write a brief account of what/how to do a shipment.
It is not really hard at all, it is just knowing what to do.
I have actually purchased a 2000X, and hopefully it will be in the Shippers hands for packing today.
If you are going to spend that much time in Europe on your boat, then I can definitely see the advantages of shipping one over.
I havn't been there for probably 20yrs, but back then I found the place shockingly expensive for accomodation and day to day expenses. We just get so much more bang-for-our-buck down here. Using a Mac on a Cannal is a great idea......especially if you strip it down to a no-sail boat.
Will keep you posted.
Cheers
Phillip

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