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Garbage in Garbage out
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:16 pm
by Divecoz
So how much is truly relative and how much is nit-picking will 50lbs really make a difference on a boat this size and weight?? Answer NO
Re: Garbage in Garbage out
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:40 pm
by Moe
Divecoz wrote:So how much is truly relative and how much is nit-picking will 50lbs really make a difference on a boat this size and weight?? Answer NO
I agree, but the website shows a 275 lb difference, so the error of 225 lbs is pretty significant... at least in my book.
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Moe
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:45 pm
by Moe
There are some errors in the measurement specifications, and those would be easy to report.
But the biggest errors are the difference in the displacement, and the foretriangle area.
Bill @ Boats4Sail posted he thought the J (base) spec is 10'5". Does anyone have the I (foresail hoist) measurements? If not, I'll probably be pulling the tarp off the boat this weekend and can get it.
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Moe
Bottom line
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:00 pm
by Divecoz
Liars can figure and figures can lie . This is not meant to be an insult to anyone here its just to say . Its all " just figures" on paper . . .there are just to many variables to be considered. ( on the other side of the coin) To many similarities too. . . . to make enough of a real difference . Your all just spinning facts and figures (for your own pleasure / to support your boat of choice. ) Emphasizing what makes your boat or point stronger and " purposely " leaving out anything that detracts from your goal . Spinning /Spin Doctoring / Not being honest /more concerned with can I prove my boat is better or that I am smarter . Can't prove your case with honest facts then confuse it with B.S. In other words Theory/guess work, and a lot of both .
Sail these two boats side by side with similar Captains
"no tricks. . no treats" purposely. . . honestly!!!!!!! sail them alike to the best of human ability and see what happens . That would be true science though wouldn't it? Its going to be a bit easier under power even if it where to mean doing time trials with the same motor on two boats an X and an M. Again BTW no less than 1000 variables.
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:04 pm
by Moe
I have no idea where he got that number. Go
here and plug in:
7.9 for beam
4000 for displcacement (low but same as your buddy used in his chart)
1450 for ballast and keel weight
and 1 foot for draft (ballasted)
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Moe
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:20 am
by Moe
It's in pounds and feet
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Moe
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:55 am
by Sloop John B
I insure the boat with the same company I insure my home. They are separate policies. USAA.
Homeowners, I think covers little boats, like my 14' randall craft, but only for liability. Like if I inadvertently hit a school bus, they'll pay the first $100,000 of the judgment against me. Works the same when your Rottweiler tears a leg off the poor mailman. Or your kid cold-cocks a neighbor with a baseball.
Boat policy (about $210 a year) works like the hurricane coverage. There's a 2% 'deductible', for instance having a tree limb smash out one of the portholes, etc. They have a robot answer the phone that says, "You handle it."
Edit: Good grief! I posted this after reading page 1 or so, and it pops way back here. I feel like the guy who dozes off at a party, and then lurches up with what people were talking about an hour ago.