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Post by Tom Spohn »

July 29-Aug9 works OK for us or the Counter-clockwise route at the original time is OK for us. If we can't get the currents going our way it is a good idea to get them during periods of reduced flow. An unexpected blow into a strong current could cause an extra day of layover or at least not a fun ride to the next point.
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The Admiral and I plan to be there for the original dates as we have already put in our vacation time with our employers, I'm sure others are faced with the same dilema, 'company vacation schedules'.
As for destinations we are flexible and will likely follow the parade with Stuart & Ganges as the anchor destinations. I'm not entirely sure that 1-2 knot currents are anything worth over-reacting to with 50hp engines and short distances. Perhaps travel times throughout the day could be altered to accommodate tides & currents.
The MYCBC is holding the annual general meeting on Jan 28th and I am sure this event will be the topic of discussion and much interest will be generated. Even now there are members expressing interest, and I suspect a good turnout from our members, not to mention those who are not members but are Macgregor owners in the geographic region.
At any rate my wife & I will be there in our boat "Kermie" pictured in the Avatar.
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James Lightner
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I'll be working hard to get her ready for the trip. :)

What kind and pricing is the docking facilities were we will be going? I don't have a dinghy, so if I have to anchor out, it will be a cold swim in :)
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Steve and Duane.
My family and I plan on attending the first leg of the trip from Anacortes to Stuart Island, or whenever the Stuart gathering happens.
Where in Anacortes is the planned departure, Washington Park or
Cap Sante?

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As Terry said MYCBC will have a meeting on January 28 and this trip will be a topic. Speaking for myself, my vacation is not booked jet and I am planning to be there most of the trip and maybe sail North for one more week.
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I am putting in at Anacortes....dont know exactly where Hope to use reciprocal privleges at a yacht club to store my towing rig. I am checking with my yacht club now to see if that is possible. Is there a preferrred location to launch there?
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Dont forget the chat room tonight on the MYCBC website, 1930 - 2130 hrs pacific time. should be some conversation on this trip.
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Post by eworthy »

It is always of value to navigate around these islands and the narrow waterways between them when the water is slack(ish). Currents are very complex in this area and it is sometime useful to have the current atlas at hand when traversing these waters and planning any cruise.

The Current Atlas for Juan de fu@ to Georgia Strait is invaluable in navigating these waters. Its available at any Canadian Chandlery or Bookstore with a nautical section.
A mail order source is :
http://miva.crownpub.bc.ca/Merchant2/me ... ode=CP.005

Current Table generally only give info on the passes and narrows but Haro Straight, and Boundary Passage can have huge flows with corresponding water action.

The X and M have enough power to overcome any currents in this region but that doesn't mean it will be fun. Classics will definitely have to pick their spots in some of the sections.

Ports and Passes produces an annual daily index to the Atlas. Several others do as well.

In terms of getting to Stuart, Boats are going to be coming from all directions and so their skippers will have to take weather and current into account when planning their traverses of open water and the timing of running the gaps.

I do not have the current year's Atlas Index. I plan to get it at the upcoming Van. Boat Show. You can use the Atlas without the indexes but it's a pain.

Samson Narrows has largish currents on the day in question (July 26) but the ebb from noon on pushes you North until you enter the channel by then it will be slackening. Slack is mid-afternoon (~3.35) and then has a flood that will carry you along to Maple Bay quite nicely. Maybe folks would like to visit the Gardens in the morning or take in Brentwood Bay head North around noon and have a very pleasant trip.

I couldn't image better travelling conditions, if they are holding your spot at the marina. Sunset isn't until 9pm with a very long twilight.

I will check out the other transits in the near future and see if we can work around what looks like adverse currents.
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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

All the daily current summaries I posted above are from my copy of the the Canadian Current Atlas you mention using the Ports and Passes 2005 current atlas tables I picked up last week. (Still haven't managed to get my hands on the even better current atlas from Captain Jacks which covers a much larger area including Puget Sound and all the way up the inside passage, but is unfortunately out of print). The slack info comes right out of the 'Ports and Passes' 2005 Tide and Currents book. Slack on that day is actually at 3:49pm in Samsum.

As I mentioned the notes all relate to morning passages, 9:00am to 1:00pm. There are always other times during the day when the currents will be with you, it's really a choice of if you want to travel at those times. None of these currents are too much for a X/M. They are all in the 1-2 knot range, except for a couple in San Juan channel that top 5 knots at times during the trip. None of them are crucial for timing as is the case for Deception Pass, Dodd Narrows, Malibu Rapids, etc, all of which we went through last summer. But even a 2 knot current can make things exciting. We went through Gabriola Pass on a 2 knot current with us and that was enough to require some extra manouvering. In a way it was even more difficult than our passage in through Deception Pass at peak 7+ knot flood the year before. Of course none were as spectacular as the 15 knot flood current we observed, but didn't transit, at Sechelt Rapids in the Skookumchuck Narrows.

I've never been shy about currents in the islands. I spent many years observing them from below diving, and have transited them in Allegro with both favorable and the opposite conditions. You can always burn more fuel and get through, but you won't be sailing much with even a 1-2 knot current against you. In general you will enjoy the trip a lot more if you plan a route that works with the currents.

Tomorrow I will go through how the clockwise and counterclockwise loop look current wise for the trip pushed a week later. The tides are much less extreme that week and that means the currents are less as well. In addition the times of the highs and lows are shifted earlier which give a better shot at good morning transits.

On another note, I spent quite a bit of time with Todd and Cheryl from Bluewater Yachts earlier in the week down at the Seattle Boat show. They are on board for getting this event added to their cruising clubs calendar. They even were looking forward to the possibility of joining us at Stuart.

The sooner we can get a set route and dates the better. We need to get the Ganges stop booked like yesterday.
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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

Bringing forward the info posted before so it is all in one place

The Early Week Clockwise Route

July 21 - Arrive Anacortes (Rig and launch)
July 22 - Arrive Deer Harbor Current is against until 13:00h
July 23 - Arrive Stuart Is Current is with until 14:00h
July 24 - Layover
July 25 - Arrive Tod Inlet Current is against until 13:00h
(Canadian Customs at Canoe Bay in route)
July 26 - Arrive Maple Bay Current is against in Sansum Narrows. Slack in Sansum Narrows is at 08:42, peak ebb at 11:48, Slack at 15:49.
July 27 - Arrive Telegraph Harbor Current is against after 12:00
July 28 - Arrive Conover Cove Current is against until 14:00
July 29 - Arrive Ganges Current is against until 14:00
July 30 - Layover
July 31 - Arrive Winter Cove (or Otter Bay or Poets Cove) Current is against until 13:00, (against all day for Poets Cove)
Aug 01 - Arrive Friday Harbor (US Customs) Current is against after 10:00
Aug 02 - Arrive Anacortes (Haul out and de-rig) Current is with until 01:00

The Early Week Counter Clockwise Route

July 21 - Arrive Anacortes (Rig and launch)
July 22 - Arrive Deer Harbor Current is against until 13:00h
July 23 - Arrive Ganges Current is against until 13:00h
(Canadian Customs at Bedwell)
July 24 - Layover
July 25 - Arrive Conover Cove Current is against until 14:00h
July 26 - Arrive Telegraph Harbor Current is with all day
July 27 - Arrive Maple Bay Current is with after 12:00
July 28 - Arrive Tod Inlet Current is with after 11:00 Sansum Narrows slack before ebb at 11:20.
July 29 - Arrive Stuart Current is against until 15:00
(US Customs at Roche Harbor)
July 30 - Layover
July 31 - Arrive Garrison Bay (English Camp) Current is with after 11:00
Aug 01 - Arrive Friday Harbor Current is against after 11:00
Aug 02 - Arrive Anacortes (Haul out and de-rig) Current is with until 01:00

The Later Week Clockwise Route

July 28 - Arrive Anacortes (Rig and launch)
July 29 - Arrive Deer Harbor Current is with until 15:00h
July 30 - Arrive Stuart Is Current is with or across until 14:00h
July 31 - Layover
Aug 1 - Arrive Tod Inlet Current is with until 19:00h
(Canadian Customs at Canoe Bay in route)
Aug 2 - Arrive Maple Bay Current is with in Saanich until 10:00 and with all the way north until 17:00. Slack in Sansum Narrows is at 10:07, peak flood at 13:47, Slack at 16:29.
Aug 3 - Arrive Telegraph Harbor Current is with after 09:00 all day
Aug 4 - Arrive Conover Cove Current is with until 11:00 then against (this is such a short day it really doesn't matter)
Aug 5 - Arrive Ganges Current is with until 11:00
Aug 6 - Layover
Aug 7 - Arrive Winter Cove (or Otter Bay or Poets Cove) Current is with until 13:00
Aug 8 - Arrive Friday Harbor (US Customs) Current is with until 14:00
Aug 9 - Arrive Anacortes (Haul out and de-rig) Current is with until 16:00

Wow, what a difference a week makes. This clockwise loop a week later is like the dream trip as far as currents go.

I'm not even going to bother to look at the counter clockwise loop because it will be mostly against given what I see.

It looks like the best by far is the later week going clockwise, second best is the earlier week going counterclockwise. Of course none of the currents are show stoppers, and even in a counter current scenario often you can find help or at least slower water along one of the shorelines in a back eddy.

These all assume that the prefered travel times are in the morning from 09:00 - 13:00. For us this is always prefered. It gets us to the new place with plenty of time to explore and relax. Sometimes we'll even pull out and travel while the kids are still asleep and in their bunks. This can be some of the most peaceful travel times. I also find that arriving early reduces the stress level about finding an open mooring, dock space, or a place to anchor. Rolling in at 18:00 adds it's own extra stress. I'd just as soon avoid the 'fighting to set the anchor as the sun is setting' scenario as murpheys law always seem to come into play.
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Well, later week clockwise works realy good. Please all interested say what you think. It is time to set dates and reserve some slips.
My vacation is not booked jet and either week work for me.
By the way Duane, are you going to be on the boat show tomorrow, at least 4 of us from MYCBC are coming to check what is new.
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I can only make the first leg, Stuart Island for the proposed Later week Clockwise route as I must return to work Aug, 2 /05 so I will have to forgoe the remainder of the cruise. My vacation was booked for the original dates on the company vacation schedule.
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July 27 Maple Bay to Thetis

Flood in the am decreasing to Slack at Sansum Narrows at ~10:11. The narrows is 2 knm from Maple Bay. The ebb peaks in mid afternoon at 2knat Sansum but you'll be long gone by then. The next ten knm is in Stuart Channel which the charts indicate has a maximum ebb of 1/2 knt. Leave after a leisurely breakfast and it works out great. Arrive at Thetis near noon take the ferry to Chemainus for the day.

Have I done something wrong here? This looks good to me.

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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

According to the Current Atlas Index for July 27th:

9:00 is page 12, current is running north, OK
10:00 is page 13, current is running north, OK
11:00 is page 14, current is slack, turning south in Houstoun Passage
12:00 is page 37, current is south below Kuper
13:00 is page 38, current is south below Kuper
14:00 is page 39, current is south below Kuper

Samsun Narrows slack before ebb on the 27th is at 09:57, peak ebb of 1.5 knots at 12:52. Samsun is south of the area so the turn is a bit later between Maple bay and Telegraph with the full southward ebb flow not beginning until between 11:00 and 12:00.

Hence my remarks that the current is against after 12:00.

An early passage this day would be OK, the later you go the more current you will meet. None of the .5 to 1.0 knot currents are show stoppers, but in light air being able to sail will be less likely even against this weak current. This is particularly true if you are in a headwind situation and already having to cover more ground by tacking.
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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

So it sounds like at this point moving the trip a week later to the loop with the best currents would be a hardship for some.

So I propose we do the following.

First, set the Main CanAm 05 gathering dates as:

July 23rd and July 24th in Ganges Harbor on Salt Spring Island, BC.

BBQ/Party the night of July 23rd

and

July 29th and July 30th in Ried Harbor on Stuart Island, Washington.

BBQ/Party the night of July 30th

Second,

For those American boats wanting a full tour starting and ending in Anacortes I will put together a plan for a counter clockwise loop of most of the stops suggested by Eworthy. I'll look at each day and make suggestions of when the passage would be easiest based on the currents. Any Canadian boats that want to join and follow along, particularly for the stops between the main gathering weekends are of course welcome.

This route will be as follows.

Thurs, July 21 - Arrive Anacortes (Rig and launch)
Fri, July 22 - Arrive Deer Harbor
Sat, July 23 - Arrive Ganges
(Canadian Customs at Bedwell)
Sun, July 24 - Layover
Mon, July 25 - Arrive Conover Cove
Tue, July 26 - Arrive Telegraph Harbor
Wed, July 27 - Arrive Maple Bay
Thurs, July 28 - Arrive Tod Inlet
Fri, July 29 - Arrive Stuart
(US Customs at Roche Harbor)
Sat, July 30 - Layover
Sun, July 31 - Arrive Garrison Bay (English Camp)
or Roche Harbor if you want a marina
Mon, Aug 01 - Arrive Friday Harbor
Tue, Aug 02 - Arrive Anacortes (Haul out and de-rig)

I actually like this loop best as it is a bit more balanced between Canadian and US stops. I'll post mileage and passage info later this evening. I'll also post nearby alternatives for parks verses marinas and vice a versa.

So who is making the Ganges Marina Reservations? We need to do this ASAP.
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