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HI,

I am willing to buy a power sailboat, if i want a brand new power sailboat and it's not necessary to be trailerable and only to remove it from the seawater once per year, which power sailboat i should buy if my budget is similar to the Mac 26M?

Is there any other brand new boat with fix keel and wider beam for the price of 21,500$ ??

is a power sailboat with wider beam will give a better stability?

What is the V bottom degree of normal legacy sailboat? is it around 15 degree or more?

It depends where you are ...and where you want to go. I used to have a big boat thinking that bigger is better...But bigger is not always better...Bigger means more expense.....You always think you will go big but as I figured out you don't need too. I never go beyond the Channel Islands California. The Mac seems to fit the bill. However it took me lots of time and money to figure out where I want to go and how I want to get there. A Catalina 42 is nice but I can get there as fast as I want or as slow as I want On way less money for the same satisfaction. I don't know of any boat that is fast as the Mac and that can sail. The edge is too new to even think about. There are hundreds of boats for sale less expensive than the Mac. I have been looking for a Mac for 6 months. They retain there value, in demand, and I can't seem to find a nice used 2003 to 2005. I have sailed almost every Mac for sale in Southern Cal of which are only 12 that i can find on the web. There are lots of 26 X's out there but I prefer the dagger board set up. If you are just a coastal cruiser and want a dock boat there are some great buys out there....Pearson 385 survey complete... in Ventura a blue water cruiser ready to go around the world for only 69 K....Also a Hans Christian I saw in Morro Bay for 100K in pristine condition illness forces sale. Walk the docks and find the bargan.

First of all I don't know where ou are going to get a new POWERSAILOR MacGregor M for 21,500 (definative word being POWER). Please add 6K minimum for the power part (OB Engine). For the REAL out the door price of an equipped ($35,000+), there is no better buy - - - that's why they fly out of the factory door as fast as they can make them.

The M with it's water ballast is very stable! You may only want to use the trailer for a place upon which to temporarily store the boat from time to time - - - - but it sure is nice to KNOW that you can take this boat to any possible destination that surfaces in the years to come.

I had mine in the water at MDR for 3 years with NO THOUHT of taking it anywhere - - - then, all of a sudden, I took it to San Felipe, Mexico on the Sea of Cortez for 6 months and then to Las Vegas. Nice option!

The Mac sails as well as the sailor and powers well enough. I get 5 to 7 MPH sailing (that's MPH not KPH) and I'm right at 20 MPH powering - - - with a boat VERY loaded with "stuff".

Good luck - - - and re-examine prices and your budget.

Rick

Thanks a lot for your replies.

You are right about the price, yes, my right budget is 35,000$ to have the Mac26M ready as it should.

My sail location will be like the Berkeley Circle in San Francisco with steeper or choppier waves. It will be in the Mediterranean sea.

The point that i was trying to show here, is there any brand new motor sailboat for the same price of the Mac (35K), with a fix keel and wider beam, If I am 100% sure I will never never need to use the trailer?

In other words, as I want to spend 35K, what other sailboat should I consider other than the Mac 26M if trailerable is useless for me where I am?

If I have to consider to buy a used sailboat, for 35K, which one i should look for and it is better than the Mac26M ?

Do you think, a motor sailboat like the Mac26M might have been cheaper if it doesn't need to be trailerable?

I saw an Odin from Poland/Germany but it looks only like the Mac 26X but I don't have the idea about its price.

And is there anyone who has an idea about the perfect V bottom degree? The new Mac26M is 15 degree. What about others sailboat?

Do a search on Odin on this site and you will get a lot of info - - - you will even get pictures - - - they are more expensive but more boat.

Rick

PS Never say never never

HI,

Thanks for the remark about the the " Never Never", But it was 4 AM .

any comments about my other questions?

By the way,

The price of the Imexus Yachts is around 29,000 Euro, 50% more expensive than the Mac 26M if same accessories. It has the same shape as the old Mac 26X.

Captain Phoenix wrote:Thanks a lot for your replies.

You are right about the price, yes, my right budget is 35,000$ to have the Mac26M ready as it should.

My sail location will be like the Berkeley Circle in San Francisco with steeper or choppier waves. It will be in the Mediterranean sea.

The point that i was trying to show here, is there any brand new motor sailboat for the same price of the Mac (35K), with a fix keel and wider beam, If I am 100% sure I will never need to use the trailer?

In other words, as I want to spend 35K, what other sailboat should I consider other than the Mac 26M if trailerable is useless for me where I am?

If I have to consider to buy a used sailboat, for 35K, which one i should look for and it is better than the Mac26M ?

Do you think, a motor sailboat like the Mac26M might have been cheaper if it doesn't need to be trailerable?

I saw an Odin from Poland/Germany but it looks only like the Mac 26X but I don't have the idea about its price.

And is there anyone who has an idea about the perfect V bottom degree? The new Mac26M is 15 degree. What about others sailboat?

My only concern is to know if the Mac 26M is the right power sailboat for me at 35K, if where I am, the trailerable option is useless for me?

If the ability to trailer to other sailing venues, or being able to store your boat on a trailer is not on your shopping list, the Mac 26 X/M still has advantages over a keel boat of similar size.

• Shallow draft. 15/18 inches 38/45 cm.
  Motoring speeds in the 20 mph 32 kph range.
  Price. New Mac for price of used keel boat.

If these factors are not important to you, then get a keel boat.

~Rich

If you are going to leave the boat in the water then get a real sailboat. However a real sailboat can only cruise at 5 to 7 knots. Usualy a diesel. Slow, powerfull and alot safer than a Mac in big seas. You can get a great used boat right now with the economy the way it is as people are dumping boats. As I said before I don't go out in big seas, and only go to Catalina. So a big boat is not needed. The difference is the Mac has speed, draft, beachable, water ski, very low maintanance and I can trailer to where ever? I have had a Pearson and Catalina they are comfortable safe slow and expensive. However a new boat for 35,000.00 ???? The Mac is the only one I know about besides the Hunter Edge. If I was to get a big boat new it would be the Gemini 105 Catamaran,Lagoon 380 Catamaran,
or a Hans Christian 38.

Captain Phoenix:

You're talking about a sailboat on the European market, right? A MacGregor is noticeably more expensive in Europe than in the US. The dollar is also weaker than the Euro. Therefore, it makes a lot of sense for American motor-sailors to invest into their Macs--they love their macs and swear by them, as this board amply testifies Even the European Mac sailors (there are quite a few, you know) have certainly done their research at the other end of the worls and decided that a Mac is STILL their best choice, or else they would not be on this board

It doesn't make much sense to ask them about Mac Alternatives. A more pertinent question would be, why do dou think that the Mac is better than a number of other alternatives (including the Odin) that you decided not to invest into?

March wrote:Captain Phoenix:

You're talking about a sailboat on the European market, right? A MacGregor is noticeably more expensive in Europe than in the US. The dollar is also weaker than the Euro. Therefore, it makes a lot of sense for American motor-sailors to invest into their Macs--they love their macs and swear by them, as this board amply testifies Even the European Mac sailors (there are quite a few, you know) have certainly done their research at the other end of the worls and decided that a Mac is STILL their best choice, or else they would not be on this board

It doesn't make much sense to ask them about Mac Alternatives. A more pertinent question would be, why do dou think that the Mac is better than a number of other alternatives (including the Odin) that you decided not to invest into?

HI,

I am trying to make sure that the Macgregor is the right one for my investment, even if I don't have the option of trailerable where I am.

I am searching for the powerful sailboat and the safer one also and I was looking to see if I can find a wider beam with fix keel (if more stable), at the same price of a new MAC.

Maybe there is a boat not designed for trairelable with a wider beam and outboard engine and have a close price of the MAC, if it is not available, I think the MAC will stay the king a the powerful sailboat at an affordable price.
The new Odin can take 120 HP outboard engine but has the same size of the MAC, which means it will not offer a safer or more stability than the MAC.

any comments here...?

It still doesn't make sense to me: you're asking a Mac community if they have any knowledge of a boat which is in the same price bracket as the Mac. It does not have to be trailerable. It may have a fixed keel (or not) and/or a wider beam (or not) but the price ought to be the about the same and it should be more stable than the mac. The answer is obvious: the requirements you have seem to match the Mac best. But you don't seem to want the Mac. You want something different or even "better" within the same price range.

If anyone else has any knowldge of a better boat than the Mac within the same prage range, that person would not have chosen the Mac and he would probably not be on this board.

I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything--just trying to save you time.

Well, I disagree with you, because it's the right place to ask here. Who can better comments than MAC owners and Who will give the sincere answer better than here.

I am working to get the dealership of the Mac for our area in the Mediterranean sea and I am working to gather all information needed to make sure i have all answers for my potential clients and to prove them that the Mac is the King and will stay the King even against the other keelboats in terms of price and performance and stability.

I am not sure that we are in disagreement at all. The Mac owners will provide you with comments galore, praising the advantages of the boat. They will be as sincere as you will ever hope to get from someone who has already made the choice and picked out a Mac. But you are asking the wrong question, IMHO. Why would Mac owners give you sincere information on boats they have NOT chosen, especially since you insist that they be in the same price range?

It would be like going to an American MacDonald and asking the American customers if they have have any knowledge of an antipasti served in the area at the same price (roughly) that they might like better than they like their hamburgers. Why not asking them directly why they like their hamburgers?