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every time i raise my rudders a lot of water comes pouring out/off them.

is there water in the rudders? or is this all just running off from the surface, it really seems like way more than surface water.

Yes that is normal and designed that way.

Yes. The water helps to keep the rudders down.

You're in Michigan,and ìf they're blocked and not drained out in winter they will freeze and split....

And when you raise the rudders it takes less effort if you pause for a second or two when the rudders are just out of the water before you lift them up the rest of the way. It allows them to drain so you are not unnecessarily lifting the weight of the water. Same thing for the dagger board; allow the water to drain and it will take less effort to raise.

On edit: It is a brilliant design I will add, it reduces lifting effort and weight when raised, over a solid rudder. (Or dagger board.)

Only if you have a white hull...if you have a blue hull it will be completely different.

Photoman369 wrote:every time i raise my rudders a lot of water comes pouring out/off them.

is there water in the rudders? or is this all just running off from the surface, it really seems like way more than surface water.

Just to be clear, an X does not have a daggerboard, so don't go looking for one.

seahouse wrote:And when you raise the rudders it takes less effort if you pause for a second or two when the rudders are just out of the water before you lift them up the rest of the way. It allows them to drain so you are not unnecessarily lifting the weight of the water. Same thing for the dagger board; allow the water to drain and it will take less effort to raise.

On edit: It is a brilliant design I will add, it reduces lifting effort and weight when raised, over a solid rudder. (Or dagger board.)

seahouse wrote:And when you raise the rudders it takes less effort if you pause for a second or two when the rudders are just out of the water before you lift them up the rest of the way. It allows them to drain so you are not unnecessarily lifting the weight of the water. Same thing for the dagger board; allow the water to drain and it will take less effort to raise.

On edit: It is a brilliant design I will add, it reduces lifting effort and weight when raised, over a solid rudder. (Or dagger board.)

Good tip! Thanx! I did myself a mischief trying to haul up that starboard rudder a couple weeks back--pulling something in my own starboard mooby (i.e., man booby) in the process. Seems I'm an old "fixer-upper" too!

awesome

and great tips every one. sorry to hear about your mooby but funny lol

ill try the waiting for them to drain out they seemed a bit heavy.

dlandersson wrote:Just to be clear, an X does not have a daggerboard, so don't go looking for one.

seahouse wrote:And when you raise the rudders it takes less effort if you pause for a second or two when the rudders are just out of the water before you lift them up the rest of the way. It allows them to drain so you are not unnecessarily lifting the weight of the water. Same thing for the dagger board; allow the water to drain and it will take less effort to raise.

On edit: It is a brilliant design I will add, it reduces lifting effort and weight when raised, over a solid rudder. (Or dagger board.)

Thanks for clarifying dl. I almost posted "dagger board / centre board" until I remembered that the centreboards were solid (and weighted I think?) so I could have done worse, lol.

Photoman369 wrote:awesome

and great tips every one. sorry to hear about your mooby but funny lol

ill try the waiting for them to drain out they seemed a bit heavy.

If by "them" you meant the rudders, that shouldn't take long. Otherwise I'll have to lay off the clam dip, ribs and deep-fried everything...and that might take a while.

Bilgemaster wrote:

Photoman369 wrote:awesome

and great tips every one. sorry to hear about your mooby but funny lol

ill try the waiting for them to drain out they seemed a bit heavy.

If by "them" you meant the rudders, that shouldn't take long. Otherwise I'll have to lay off the clam dip, ribs and deep-fried everything...and that might take a while.

Yes yes I meant the rudder, not sure I'll be ever to get that pic out of my nightmares now.

I am impatient and don't like to wait for the water to drain, so I made a moob-friendly setup, inspired by Victor:
http://www.macgregorsailors.com/modt/in ... ?view=1887

Replace the knot in the trailing edge of the rudders with a block on a D-shackle.
Now your rudder uphaul has a 2:1 block system, making it much easier for you (and The Admiral) to raise.
The uphaul and downhaul are a single looped line.

I can show you a full setup if you want.

Ah. Here's a pic:


This is needlessly complex, IMO. Mine has the white line and black line as one loop in the cockpit, and I only need one cleat.

Hey Dave, whats going on with your ? Your seat appears to hinge from starboard but mine and all other 's i have seen hinge from port? Was that like that from the factory?

Dennis.

sunshinecoasting wrote:Hey Dave, whats going on with your ? Your seat appears to hinge from starboard but mine and all other 's i have seen hinge from port? Was that like that from the factory?

Dennis.

That's not mne. I Goggled it.