Does gasoline really go stale! Good Maintenance Manual?

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Mark Prouty
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Does gasoline really go stale! Good Maintenance Manual?

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Fuels
A great deal of ink has gone into articles
about outboard gasoline, what to do with it,
and what to put (or not put) into it. Among
the claims repeated in the boating press are
the following. The only problem is that none
of the authors of these articles provides a
shred of evidence that any of these measures
is necessary or even helpful.
Drain and discard all your gas at the
end of the season because it would
ruin your motor if you were to use it
the next season.
Fill up your tanks and add gas stabilizer;
otherwise the old gas will gum
up your carburetors.
Fill up with high octane gas at the
end of the season and add an octane
booster at the start of the next because
gas looses its octane in storage
and will ruin your engine.
Add two-cycle oil and methyl hydrate
to your gas before storing it (for
both two- and four-cycle engines) to
absorb moisture and prevent condensation
in the engine.
Use any of the many mechanicin-
a-bottle fuel additives to clean,
repair and generally reinvigorate
your engine.
I've run outboards many years on the
previous season's leftover gas and never
had any of the dire consequences these
authors assure us will result from stale
gas. Maybe the new electronic fuel injection
engines are more sensitive to gas quality, but
I haven't seen the evidence yet.
The only
thing on the subject that can be said with
any certainty is that a fuel tank left empty
in a cold, damp climate will generate some
condensation and the resulting water will
have to be filtered out before it reaches the
induction/injection system.
If you believe in fuel stabilizers/additives,
by all means use them. If you have
field experience that supports the claims of
these authorities, get in touch with me and
let me know what you have learned. I'll pass
it on to others. Otherwise, just use good filters
and don't worry about it.
Maintaining Modern Outboards.

blasphemy!!
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Post by richandlori »

What in the Heck is he talking about in the first few sentences under Winterizing? Sub-zero temperatures.swirling snow? Has he gone mad, I dont have that in Oxnard, Ca.. :? :o :)


The only evidence I can give is a simple observation. When I pick up an old gas can that I havent used in quite some time (especially two stroke gas with oil) there is definitely a goop in the bottom of the can. Ive seen it with my own eyes.

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Post by mtc »

Gasoline is a relatively unstable aromatic distillate of more complex organic compounds and as such will continually want to break down. When sitting for long periods of time its molecular structure will begin to change - like all things - except gas has a shorter half-life and will achieve degradation, then entropy, quicker.

How long this takes will depend on the ambient environment.

Is there one liquid that will sit on the shelf for extended periods of time and stay the same?

For the cost of the liquid gold, granted it's getting ridiculous, the consequences of running old fuel in a $9,000 engine through a finely tuned injection system to save a few bucks . . .


Now that's blasphemy
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Post by Catigale »

I confess Ive run last seasons gas in my Mercury ...but consider that my last fill up is usually in November, and I start boating again in April, thats really only about 4-5 months of sitting

I watch the sight glass in the motor for water and I add dry gas to scavenge the water in the fuel too.

ON ruining your motor - if you heavily load your motor (towing that Catalina 45) I would worry about loss of octane etc....if you use it as a kicker at relatively low loads detonation probably isnt going to happen even with lower octane gas. Im not an expert on this though.

Im not aware if a modern outboard engine uses knock sensors like a car, if they do then I really wouldnt worry about this.
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After a lengthy deployment my former Mercruiser I/O sat with fuel in the system for 9 months. After I came back the boat would not run at all. The carburetor was clogged up with varnish. Once I rebuilt the carb the boat would only run when I put "new" gas into directly into the carb bowls. As soon as that ran out and the old gas came in it stopped. I drained the tank and refilled it, everything worked fine. I didn't put any stablizer in the tank and it had been several months even before the deployment since I had run the boat.

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What do you do to get rid of a tank of spoiled gasoline?

Post by Robert »

I take my 6 gallon gasoline cans and use the old gas in my lawn equipment, I dilute the old with some new so I can burn all of it. I have used gasoline with 2 stoke oil in it in my 4 stroke riding lawn mower with an Onan OHV engine, it runs just fine. I don't put old gasoline in my backup generator because if that fails I'd get too much trouble from the Admiral.
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I have not tried, but I suspect that gasoline that's not too old could be made more useable by adding some fuel injector cleaner additive.
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That way it gets burned in the normal way and not dumped on the ground.
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What do you do to properly get rid of a tank of spoiled gasoline anyway?
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Post by Simon »

Gas can go bad if left for to long... So use some stabilizer to keep it from going bad, also keep your tanks full so there is less air...

But what do I know?


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Post by RandyMoon »

The Tohatsu manual says:

Step 2: Drain all fuel from the fuel hoses, fuel pump and carburetor.

When you have completed the fresh water flush in Step 1, disconnect the fuel line at the motor and continue running the motor until it runs out of gas. It is extremely important to ensure that all of the fuel has been drained from the carburetor otherwise any fuel/oil mixture remaining will evaporate and leave deposits (also called varnish, gum, etc). in the carburetor.

If you have fuel left in your tank you may want to add some fuel stabilizer to it, so that it can be used the following season. Fuel stabilizer will also help prevent condensation from forming in your fuel tank.

If your outboard is not an oil-injected model (i.e. you mix your gas/oil manually), we highly recommend you do not store the gasoline for extended periods of time. Over time, the gas and oil will separate which will lead to a lack of lubrication to your engine.
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Post by James V »

I have found that gas does the same thing in my tanks as it does in the lawn mower. It is best if you clean the tank at the start of every season.
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Post by Simon »

What I do for my OB is run it until the OB uses all the gas after I disconnect the fuel line, then I top off the fuel tank and add the stabiliser :wink:


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Post by Moe »

Yes, gasoline breaks down over time. I've had some as old as five years that would still run an engine, but do it poorly. Sta-Bil helps but doesn't eliminate the problem. It's good for an over winter situation (or over summer in the case of the snow blower).

Sta-Bil doesn't prevent gas from evaporating and leaving deposits in a carburetor. Running an engine at idle until it dies often doesn't get all the gas out of the bowl either. If the slow jet is higher in the bowl than the main jet and emulsion tube, the engine will quit while the latter are still submerged. There also may be fuel passages in the bottom of the bowl that take the worst hit. If your carbs have a drain on the bowl bottom, use it.
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Post by Compromise »

Years ago (before the wee ones) we had a jet boat which was extremely susceptible to bad gas. I had the carbs cleaned on that thing more times than I care to remember :x . My mechanic, at the time told me these were notorious for gumming up. (The motor was a 2 stroke oil pumped 90hp Mercury.) He recommended stabilizer and said after 30 days the fuel without stabilizer would begin to break down. As the old adage goes, the best day for a boat owner is the day he buys his boat and the day he sells it. This was certainly true for me with this particular money pit :P !
When we got into sailing our first boat was a good old 22ft O Day. It came with a 9hp Evinrude, which dated back to the 80's. I got into the habit of running the motor to drain all the fuel from the carb every time we came home and it ran like a charm. The new owner called me saying it had cut out on him just before it emitted a lot of blue smoke. I met him at the marina, cleaned out the carb and renewed the plug and told him what I used to do each time I came in. He hasn't had a problem since.
I have gotten in the habit of doing what some of you guys are doing with our :macx: . If the gas sits more that 5 to 6 weeks I siphon it for my lawn tractor and try to keep the gas in the tanks relatively fresh. I was surprised at how fuel efficient the Yamaha 50 is and have siphoned several times because of underestimating how much gas I'll use when we're underway. I guess too much is always the better way to go :) !
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Post by Sloop John B »

Small engine repair guys will tell you stale gas is good for business. They send birthday cards and holiday greetings to the 2 cycle generator owners who let their machines sit for four, five years at a time.

I notice a lot of this small stuff is going 4 cycle, i.e., lawnmower, pressure washer, tiller, edger, outboard. This is good for collecting it all up and pouring it into the fat Lincoln so you can roar down town and get more gas. My 6 gallon 'Mac' tanks are clumsy and have to be drained with clear plastic hosing I steal from the Mate's wine making supplies. Except for an occasional belch and a slight popping up into the air, the Lincoln is able to make it to the pump okay.

And I've heard what Moe mentioned, that pulling the fuel line from the motor doesn't drain away the problem. Best if you can 'ear muff' it every month or so and idle the motor for precious minutes while the boat's stored.
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Post by argonaut »

I'm probably bucking tradition here but I use so little fuel I've replaced my 6 gallon tanks with 3 gal tanks. They both fit in one compartment leaving the other free for tools, fire ext., lines, etc.
They're a lot easier to carry around.
I use too little fuel to have 6 gal tanks sitting around aging.
I also practice the "run dry" technique to water flush the OB w/water & and get rid of the leftover fuel.
Mine'll run for like five minutes on what's in the carb bowls.
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Post by mike »

A couple of friends of mine have a 21' sailboat (well, HAD a 21' sailboat... it's probably in a pile with other boats in the marina). One of them is a very experienced sailor who can usually park the boat in the slip under sail. But when he does use the motor, he's got the timing down perfect of removing the fuel line after passing a certain spot in the marina... the motor conks out just as he begins turning into the slip.

Personally, I think he's nuts!

--Mike
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