And it came crashing down!

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And it came crashing down!

Post by Dimitri-2000X-Tampa »

Forgive me Mac board for I have sinned...Its been 2+ years since my last confession (of stupidity)...

But this one takes the cake. Last Thursday, I took a day off of work to take my 3 year old on a picnic out on the boat. She is the only one still not back in school yet. We had a really nice lunch, sailing in the light wind with just a headsail...a very nice laid back day, until it was time to go home.

I furled the headsail kind of close to home and so I decided to go down a different channel near the causeway (to empty the ballast) which I don't go down very often. Probably been at least a year since I was in those parts, the channel hugs the causeway with only green markers until you get near the end where it does a 45 degree jaunt towards some hotels and at that point the red markers start again.

As I was emptying the ballast, I was going kind of fast on a plane.. Probably about 12-13 knots. I looked to see where the next channel markers were and eyeballed the red and the green about 75 yards away so thought this would be a good place to turn around. Started a slow turn to starboard which would then be followed by a sharp turn to port as there is not a lot of deep water right there. My three year old was playing in the cabin. Ooops, forgot to close the ballast valve so I turned my body around and used the boat hook to close the valve as I normally do. It slipped off the handle once so I had to do it again, that cost me a couple more seconds. When I turned around facing forward again and was about to start my turn to port, a red triangle channel marker came out of nowhere!!! I had obviously missed seeing this one when I eyeballed the markers...damned dodger must have obstructed my view!

The marker passed to the starboard side, same side I was sitting on. I didn't really have any time to react because at this speed, it was probably less than a second from the bow to the chain plates. The piling seemed like it was about 2 feet away from the hull so I was thinking I cleared it...but I didn't take the heel into account, obviously with me sitting on that side and being in a turn, the boat must have been heeled over some....just enough to catch about 2-3 inches of the edge of the triangular marker on the outboard shroud. The rigging creeked as it made contact and in my mind, I knew what was about to happen but there was no time to react. A loud crack like a tree breaking as the boat halted and then a huge spash as the furler and top part of the mast went into the water right next to me. My three year old asked why all the water came into the front hatch....I was kind of speechless at that moment (and wet). In hindsight, maybe if I had hurled my weight to the other side of the boat right when I saw the marker, I may have cleared it...but I had less than a second to react and in a semi shock, I didn't move. I suppose it could have been worse, the mast could have hit me on the head and I wouldn't be writing this. Luckily, the rigging pulled the broken piece off to the side and it appears to have only hit water. Also, the bending and breaking of the rigging took the force out of the halt so it wasn't like hitting a brick wall or anything like that.

Yes Frank, you can add me to the list you've been keeping and it broke right at the spreaders through the bolt hole. Also pretzeled one of the spreaders.

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But I figure if it hadn't broke there, it would have broke somewhere else...so even if you reinforced that area, it would probably just break right above the reinforcement. You may be able to notice from the pic that the mast is bent really bad right around the break so it would have probably been totaled even if it didn't break into two pieces. The other bad thing after 3+ years of Mac ownership is that I had just gotten all the rigging tension perfect finally a couple months ago.

So now, I have to decide whether to try to have one made here or get a Mac dealer to try to piggyback one onto a boat shipment. A sailmaker even suggested trying to sleeve and weld it back but I don't think that is going to be a good option. My other decision is whether to make an insurance claim or not. I have a $500 deductible which seems to be about the price people are paying for bare 26X masts. Or, I could pay more to have a better one made locally and make an insurance claim to pay for it. Not sure if the insurance company would consider that a real replacement value though. What do you folks think I should do?

I saw Normo's post about getting one from BWY...didn't know they shipped boats to FL but then even Bill told me he has been selling to Florida customers from Wisconsin lately. There are no dealers right in the Tampa area so it would still be a drive to pick one up. I guess this would be the cheap way out with me having to transfer all the goodies from the old mast to the new myself. Probably would not be worth making a claim for anything less than $1K but then I could at least get a rigging shop to do all the tedious work.

Oh well, live and learn...I came home and immediately took the mast and all the rigging off the boat (to avoid all the questions from passersby). Now I'll be a powerboater for a while but hope to be sailing again by November when the good sailing season hits. Sheesh, I missed it last year due to my engine overheating saga, now this. :(
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Post by Hamin' X »

Wow Dimitri, Glad everyone is OK. I would stay away from the insurance claim, if possible. It opens a can of worms about rate hikes and cancellation. Save it for catastrophic events.

As far as repair goes, with the mac being tender to start with, the extra weight that high aloft of the sleeving and weld, would be detrimental, IMHO.

Same goes for the locally acquired mast. compare weight carefully.

Here's an idea, though. Check out the boat salvage yards for a length of carbon fiber mast that can be cut down to size. Great opportunity to upgrade. Turn this lemon into lemonade.

Just 2.5 cents worth from a non-Mac owner.

Rich

PS: Check your chain plates and surrounding area, carefully.
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Post by Chip Hindes »

A point: If you're not going to make an insurance claim unless your damage exceeds $1000, what's the point of a $500D policy?

If you "upgrade" to a stiffer section without upgrading the stays, chainplates, backers, etcetera, you will almost certainly be overloading your entire standing rig and will have a problem getting proper mast bend, which in turn will damage sail shape. If you change the section width or shape, the standard hardware, particularly spreader sockets, will not fit properly; using the standard stuff anyway is inviting problems. Stick with stock or be prepared for additional effort and expense to get things right.

As long as everyting else is sound, and if it meant getting back on the water sooner, and could be done at reasonable cost, I wouldn't hesitate to do a welded sleeve as a temporary repair, while waiting for a stock mast to arrive.
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Post by richandlori »

My incident wasn't as dramatic but the end result was the same...new mast time.
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Post by Frank C »

Dimitri - sorry for the event, but glad it worked out without injury. I saw one other report of catching a shroud on a daymark, with exactly the same result. But that was a new Mac owner, and I think it freaked her out ... she very shortly sold the boat!

I think we hashed over this idea pretty thoroughly once before. If the damaged mast is not bent too badly, Chip's no doubt correct that a sleeve is a valid option ... in fact, I think it's preferable to changing the mast to a different section. At least the old mast is the correct weight with jigged holes and matching hardware.

And you know that it's gauged properly for the hull. Any larger mast section might require larger standing rig. That would overstress the hull, which must restrain the pull of all rigging versus the mast. Wonder if anyone has a bent 26X mast - wd be great for cutting a 3-foot sleeve.

Also agree with your observation that the spreaders are the obvious spot for a mast failure. That's where many forces are concentrated, which is exactly the reason that I abandoned any attempt to reinforce the mast ... at least it's a known expectation at the spreaders.

My preference would be replacing with a new 26X mast, but I'm not sure they exist any longer! :|
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Post by Bobby T.-26X #4767 »

replace the mast!
call Bill at the plant to see if there are any alternatives.

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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

Dimitri,

There was another X owner down in the Tampa area who lost his mast. He replaced it with an M mast.

I've talked to Todd at BWY about doing this. It's a pretty straight forward change, but you would also need to buy a new main. Perhaps it's time for a upgrade of your sail as well. He feels that when a X needs a new main it's always something to consider as you get a new stiffer, taller rig for not that much more money than the sail alone. He feels there is no problem with an X carrying the bigger sail.

Give them a call (closed Mondays) and see what the options are.

I asked about getting a scrap of a broken X mast for a project I have and he indicated they replace at least a half dozen broken masts a year up here in Seattle.
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Post by delevi »

Sorry to hear about the incident, but you are indeed lucky that the only casualty was property damage. In my opinion, the mast is the most important piece of rigging on your boat. I would replace it rather than repair. If it was me, I would always worry if the repair holds up... the piece of mind is worth the few extra bucks. I would think twice about going with an M mast, which is 2' longer. An X owner in my marina told me that the X doesn't have the 300 lbs permanent ballast which the M has. I didn't know that. For some reason I thought he was incorrect, but didn't really want to debate the issue, since I figure he would know his own boat. If this is true, adding 2' extra mast with a 300 lb difference in ballast may actually cause your boat to perform worse. Just my guess. I'm sure that wind and sea conditions will play a major role in this. If costs hit $1k+ with $500 ded, I would make the claim. Hey, we all pay the premiums. Sometimes it's time to collect.
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Post by James V »

WOW, I am sure glad that that did not happen to me, sorry it happen to you. On the brighter side, It goes to show how strong the Mac really is, You did not pull out a chain plate or break the standing rigging (although I am sure that it will need to be replaced).

Anybody care to estimate the amount of force was applied to the sign?
4500 pounds at 13 mph = ?????

Is it possible to take an "M" mast and cut 2 feet off?
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Post by mtc »

Dimitri,

So sorry to hear about this. Good side is your daughter, and you, are ok. Bet she'll remember this, eh?

Thanks for posting this. You can bet that we'll all be reeeeeal careful motoring around protrusions now.

Always know these things can happen. It's just that when they do, they become more real.

May make sense to consider the cost/time of repairing to get some sail time in. On the other hand, will the repairs hold up? Or, will you risk more damage and possible injury?

As far as the claim, may be a good idea to run it by your agent to get his opinion. Certainly we pay premiums for such events, but whatever you may save by filing the claim ($500-ish) may be lost in a few months of a rate hike. Over the course of time, this could add up.

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Post by Sloop John B »

Tampa Mac is the guy who replaced his X with a M mast. Airline pilot with a sexy mate. See if you can find him in the member's list and try to contact him.

I had a similar encounter with overhanging tree limbs while motoring on a river. Fortunately, the limbs gave way and I was lucky there wasn't a thick one up there. It took this for me to grasp the amount of exposure we have.

Get the list of Mac dealers and contact them about FL deliveries, prices, etc.
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Post by bobmonroe »

I bought a mast from Gateway Sailing, at the time they were in Fort Myers, Fl, but they have moved to Punta Gorda, and merged with another sail dealership, but I don't know the name.
I paid 4 or 5 hundred plus $100 shipping, and changed the rigging
myself, no big deal.
I gave the bent mast to Normo, I don't know if he used it or not.
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Post by Mac Ziggy »

It could have been worse. Your daughter might have wanted a tea party. For some reason, little girls think dads sitting around a tiny little table, drinking from a thimble of a cup is funny. It probably is.

If your boat insurance is connected in any way to your house insurance - BE VERY CAREFUL. A friend had overturned his boat and made a claim. A few months later he had a water leak that damaged some flooring in his house. About 30 days after that, the insurance company cancelled his policy for two major claims in a two year period. He had insurance with this company for over 20 years with no previous claim. They dont make any exceptions either. His wifes uncle was the agent.
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Post by baldbaby2000 »

I know how heartbreaking a dismasting can be. I've been involved in three where the mast actually broke over the course of my sailing career! Two of them we actually repaired. One was a Lightening with an aluminum mast. We made a sleeve and the boat owner learned how to weld aluminum. We fixed it that night and it ended up being a permanent fix. I wouldn't rule out doing this to yours.

The other mast was wood (a C-scow) and was hollow. We made a wooden plug out of a 2 X 4 and put an aluminum sleeve on the outside. This was years ago and I still sail the boat.

We never tried to fix the broken Hobie Cat mast and it still sits in our back yard as a reminder to be careful.

I had a very strange dream last night that we were sailing near cliffs and the mast caught on some rocks. Nothing broke but it was scary!
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