Dreaming of a MacGregor19!! UK newbie

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Dreaming of a MacGregor19!! UK newbie

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Hi All,

I live in Biggleswade in the UK and have been visiting this fantastic website/forum and just had the courage to register! This is such a fantastic resource and I would like to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge and most of all the enthusiasm you show for all things MacGregor.

Have beeen sailing/power boating with friends for some time now(on their boats), and it so obvious that a MacGregor is the boat for me and my family! However, we have yet to sail on one and look forward to having that experience in the not too distant future.

Owing to finances (and space on our drive!!), we are looking to save enough for a :mac19: in the next few years, although I think it will be a tough task as very few of them made it to these shores!

Otherwise we'll have to save longer for a lovely :macm: or :macx: !!!!!!!!

Thanks

StUrrock
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StUrrock,Welcome and good luck in your search :!: 8) Rob
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Welcome to MacGregorSailors, StUrrock - we are really fond of our MacGregors, and you've seen that we love to share our experiences. I hope you will enjoy yourself browsing this site, and that you'll find the boat the suits you.

Having owned a Mac 19, I'll say that it's a pretty good boat for its size. I was attracted to buying a MacGregor 26 at first, but when I saw one face-to-fiberglass I realized it was far more boat than I could handle as a brand-new sailor - however, there was a West Wight Potter 19 sitting on its trailer next to the big Mac, and it looked "just right." While I was looking for a Potter I could get to and afford, though, I found a Mac 19 listed on the web-site of a broker close to my home - and on visiting, I decided that it would do just fine. I christened her "Beija-Flor," and had two good sailing seasons with her before I decided I'd "outgrown" her.

The "major flaw" of Beija-Flor was that she was well-sized for day sailing -- but I felt cramped with the lack of headroom in the cabin. I used to sleep aboard from time to time, as she was docked in a marina five minutes from my office (and an hour from home). It wasn't bad when I was able to walk down the dock to the marina office and its loo, but I didn't feel comfortable at all about setting up a camp-stove belowdecks - and the one time I used the porta-potty, I had to sit with my knees out the door of the head. So after I got the experience to handle a larger boat, I bought my present Mac 26X (Bossa Nova) and I find she's much more comfortable to me - stand-up headroom, a proper little galley with room for a decent stove, a decent table and bench seats, and room to pull up my shorts without opening the door of the head.

You mention "finances (and space on our drive!!)" as limiting factors ... the 26X is a big boat and requires a big tow vehicle, which could be a further limiting factor unless you're going to keep your boat in the water. I had a 1999 Subaru Outback when I bought Beija-Flor, and it strained to haul Beija-Flor at highway speeds; I knew it wouldn't handle the 26X. (The winter before I bought the X, I'd had to replace the Subaru and I chose a 2004 Toyota 4Runner. Plenty of power, but a thirsty land-yacht indeed!)

Have you considered a West Wight Potter? It's quite similar in size to the Mac 19, except that it has a heavy steel daggerboard instead of the 19's light swing keel and water ballast. Like the Mac 19 and the old "classic" Mac 26C/26D/26S, it's limited to "sit-down" headroom belowdecks - but you might find you're OK with that. (And, even though this smacks of blasphemy on MacGregorSailors, I think it's much more attractive than the Mac 19 - it looks like a proper "pocket yacht" sailboat, rather than looking like a powerboat with a mast stuck on it.) They're built in the UK as well as in the USA, so it should be very available to you there. They are quite rugged and sea-kindly for such a small boat - the Potter Yachters web-site includes the "logbook" of a man who sailed his Potter 19 from San Francisco to Hawaii, and they were after all designed and built for UK waters. I still admire the look of the Potters, and often I wish I'd been able to buy one of those instead of my Mac 19....

Just a thought. :wink:

Enjoy! And the best of luck to you.
- Rick
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Thank you Bob for your welcome and to Rick for taking the time to give the benefit of your real life experience.

Bossa Nova does look good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have a great weekend.

StUrrock
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"I think it's much more attractive than the Mac 19"

Are you kidding??
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Make sure your family will fit whichever Mac you pick or you will end up sailing without all your family. Welcome to the Mac world.
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Deeseas wrote:"I think it's much more attractive than the Mac 19"

Are you kidding??
No accounting for tastes ... meaning, in this case, my tastes. :P

I do prefer the Potter's looks because it's more like a classic yacht, with its little "cabin house" standing above its functional side-decks. It looks jaunty, yachty, and frankly classy to me. I find it cute and charming.

But mark well, Deeseas, what I actually sailed ... owned ... and frankly loved: :mac19:
Beija-Flor was my sailboat version of Kipling's Aggie DeCastrer - and I learned about sailing from her!

I'm glad you love your :mac19: , too.
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Just giving you a rough time Rick, I'm sure the Potter is a great looking boat, heck the wife and I haven't sailed Dee Seas in years, I've got it rigged for serious fishing with downriggers, fishfinder, rod holders, and a 5hp nissan mounted on the starboard side stern. As far as fishing boats go I'm sure there a few that look better than mine but none can be rigged for sailing in an hour and allow us to sleep over night. You can't beat the versatility of the Macgregor Powersailers. Good luck in your search StUrrock.
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Hi Rick

I am about another 30 miles up the A1 from you,i have a Mac 26x and i keep it on the river nene at Peterborough.
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Hi bastonjock,

Would love a trip up from Biggleswade to see you and your :macx: !!

Sorry for being cheeky inviting myself,I honestly don't gatecrash parties as a rule!!!

Regards

Andy
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StUrrock wrote:Hi bastonjock,

Would love a trip up from Biggleswade to see you and your :macx: !!

Sorry for being cheeky inviting myself,I honestly don't gatecrash parties as a rule!!!

Regards

Andy
Andy,

Don't feel sorry...I've invited myself out to sail with Matt three times...damn cheeky Americans... 8)

Cheers,
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ill sort a day out in October,September is full up with sailing dates :)
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StUrrock wrote:Hi All,
Owing to finances (and space on our drive!!), we are looking to save enough for a :mac19: in the next year, although I think it will be a tough task as very few of them made it to these shores!

Otherwise we'll have to save longer for a lovely :macm: or :macx: !!!!!!!!

Thanks
StUrrock
I know a local retired successful Cardiologist. He has enjoyed ownership of a Mac 19 since new, and has towed it to Florida, and even to California. He obviously can afford a larger boat, but enjoys the 19' for convenience, ease of towing and handling, etc. He has no interest in a larger boat. His travelling stories are interesting, since he packs up a lot of stuff in his Mac, and frequently tows many miles to distant waterways. He has had no problems, and the original 40 Hp Tohatsu runs fine.

Just an interesting story about a 19' which may encourage your decisions.
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LOUIS B HOLUB wrote:I know a local retired successful Cardiologist. He has enjoyed ownership of a Mac 19 since new, and has towed it to Florida, and even to California. He obviously can afford a larger boat, but enjoys the 19' for convenience, ease of towing and handling, etc. He has no interest in a larger boat. His travelling stories are interesting, since he packs up a lot of stuff in his Mac, and frequently tows many miles to distant waterways. He has had no problems, and the original 40 Hp Tohatsu runs fine.
Louis, there have been times when I've felt Bossa Nova was "maybe too much boat" - and that Beija-Flor was "really enough boat." The fellow who bought Beija-Flor has enjoyed it very much, and he took his wife and two friends out on his first "shakedown trip" on a lake in Illinois. The Mac 19 is truly an amazing boat, bigger on the inside than on the outside ... and it does sail sweetly, especially if you're used to a tiller. Sometimes I miss that tiller.

Andy, if you find a Mac 19 for sale in the UK, you wouldn't go wrong buying it. Best of luck!
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Thank you so much for all your input and have now put an image of my dream Mac on the office wall to inspire me to work hard pay of the business loans(2 years to go) so then our family can start living! Would just love to trail my first Mac to my home town Plymouth, Devon and sail in the beautiful Plymouth Sound with my Mum, Wife and Children.

Sue has never been to Scotland, thats trip number 2 to loch Lomond sorted :D What other vessel could provide theese options?

My knowledge and experience is lacking and I must admit to feeling intimidated sometimes by so called 'proper sailors' who seem to know a heck of a lot of theory, but don't seem to be enjoying themselves (in the main) as you guys :wink: !!!!!!!

My pal Mike who owns a lovely MG Spring 25 is quite an inspiration and is totally self taught, we have just enrolled on a RYA Dayskipper class to improve our knowledge. His philosophy is 'enjoy yourself and be safe' and just like the members of the MacGregor Sailors forum he is very supportive and encouraging.

Have just joined the UK association and look forward to joining the MacGregor owners clan.

All the best.

Andy
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