LAIKA survived Irene, with battle scars!

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LAIKA survived Irene, with battle scars!

Post by Laika 26X »

I'm sure many of us have our Hurricane Irene sea stories, here is mine.
Yes, a lesson learned, a lesson shared.
During the latter half of last week I made the decision to keep LAIKA at her slip in Mt. Sinai Harbor. Mt Sinai Harbor is located on the north shore of Long Island, NY and is the port just east of Port Jefferson Harbor, both of which empties into Long Island Sound. Both harbors experience a 7' tidal range.
The town uses floating docks and wood pilings for the slip. I was told the pilings are sufficient height for most Hurricanes, as most prepared boats at the docks survived Hurricane Gloria (Cat 3) in '86.
Setting:
Due to reasons I will not go into here (believe it or not), taking her to my house was NOT an option. FWIW, I do need a new winter home for her. Now most marinas were already filled with small boats ,or too exposed in that area. I wasn't leaving her in the parking lot where she could not be tied down, which was too exposed as well. A boat across the harbor lifted off the trailer from the tide surge and "sailed" away! While I won't say hauling was not an option, I decided that with proper preparation she should be able to ride it out given the current circumstances.
Preparation:
Prepping her included, pulling her back a tad from the dock. Extra Lines all about. Taking on ballast. Rudders up and pinned, Outboard up and locked. Centerboard up and secured. ALL canvas including Bimini was removed. Boom was removed. Shore Power Cable removed and stowed. Fenders out to starboard where another boat sat.
What occurred:
Because of the tidal range, most pilings (including mine) have some form of "Tide Slide" system that allows the lines to ride up and down as the tide rises and lowers. LAIKA's stern dock lines are attached to metal rings which slide up and down the metal pole, which in turn, is attached to the piling. As the tide rises, the boat pulls the ring up along with it. The higher the tide, the closer to the top end of the piling. Now add a higher than normal Astronomical high tide, Storm Surge, and you're near the top. So the load on the boat from a beam wind will bend the piling that much more! The higher the tide, the farther the rings are from where the pole is imbedded, the mechanics of Fulcrum and Moment. So the windward piling bent FAR enough during the storm, that LAIKA came into contact with the lee piling.
And that's the post Irene assessment of what happened.
High tide that day was 1106, IRENE hit the area about 0900. I made it down to the dock at 1230. I had to wade down a 3/4 mile stretch of water to the town docks. Strange to see fish swimming over a double yellow line. Finally got to there, saw what was happening, tightened the extra lines, which had stretched AND frayed, added more lines as well as a fender to the damaged corner. Wind was still kicking out of the south, still on her beam.
Went down again at to check on LAIKA at low tide, ~1730. She was still ok, no further damage. I re-adjusted the lines again and set a fender out on the port side. The wind was out out of the west now, off the bow, which made her ride in the center of the slip.
Here you can see the consequences:

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Hurricane Irene battle damage

Lessons learned:
What I did right given the fact I was keeping her there:
1-Everything already mentioned in preparation. Thankfully I did pull her away from the dock even though it risked (in retrospect) hitting the pilings, with the way she was pitching and the dock was bucking,. THAT would have been ugly.
What I did wrong given the fact I was keeping her there:
1-Not put out fenders where she may have contacted the pilings.
2-For the additional lines, which frayed and stretch badly, I used my on board dock lines (which come with LAIKA and are only used to dock while I'm away)
which should NOT, as I discovered, be used as "hurricane" lines as evidenced by the damage. IMHO, the good old Nylon 3-strand held up quite well.
Avoid the brand from Horizon Ltd, sold at many boat shows, nice look and color selection, but they're only good for a temporary docking.
3-Not having realized that these older wooden pilings, when deflected at a high enough point, will move so much. BoatUS recommends new marinas use spun concrete for their pilings. I wonder what banging into a concrete piling will do lol.
In conclusion (finally):
Anyway, do I regret what I did...no. Was it a poor choice? Perhaps. Would I do it again? Perhaps NOT based on information I learned after IRENE. One boat sunk at the docks (water over the stern when the wind shifted), NONE at the moorings. I was told AFTERWARDS that I would have been allowed to use an unattended mooring (my own risk), and that Marine services like Sea Tow, Ralph's Fishing Station, had moorings for rent. So I think when the next one rolls in, hopefully not for another 25 years, I'll ride it out on a mooring. But in the end, unless you keep your boat in an abandoned salt mine, anything can happen. Just try your best, and learn.
Finally, I have boat insurance, which I've been paying for longer than I can remember. It's payback time.
It's the BoatUS Insurance Adjusters issue now.....
Fair Sea's and Following winds!
"Sub" Ed
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Considering the beating your :macx: took the damage is definately fixable--a testament as to how tough the Mac really is.
My family owned a summer cottage in Mastic Beach and lost a boat in 1938--tidal serge lifted it's stationary dock and took it to the bottom. Other relatives lived in Stoney Brook and fair much better. Hope your home in Mastic is OK.

My boat is subject to 30+ wind gusts on a regular basis and we all install rubber snubbers on our dock and spring lines. They really work well to reduce line shock.

Hopefully you will not see another storm like Irene for another 25 years :!:

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Ed,

Thanks for that very informative summary of what you did and why and what the results were. Sympathies for the damage to Laika. Hopefully we can all learn something from your situation.

Good luck with the boat repairs.

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Congratulations Ed..
You never know what to do when one of those hurricanes is approaching.
Your history makes me remember when I lived in Long Island in 1985 very close to Sinai Harbor. I was living with my family in Haupauge a few miles south of the Mt. Sinai.
"Gloria" was the name..
For a foreigner (I´m spanish), that was amazing. Cars and homes hits by trees, food stores empty hours before the "hit", electric lines down and the entire house pumping in-and-out with all windows secured with tape.
Again.. gongratulations.
Hope you never have any similar again..
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Post by Catigale »

Ill never forget Eric's story about riding out Katrina...I am definitely pulling my boat in a hurricane.. :| :| :|

Can you get the redundancy of attach points on a mooring? I think chafe management is much more difficult because the boat moves so much??
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Laika 26X wrote:Shore Power Cable removed and stowed
Good move - - - I failed to do this before a storm in San Felipe, Baha, Mexico in 2008 (never even considered it) and as a result the cord held and ripped the shore power unit out of the side of the boat, creating a huge hole starboard. Messy - - - Ugly :!: :!:

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Regarding the prospects of fenders helping to avoid damage experienced in this case, I'm doubtful that fenders would have succeeded in protecting the boat. The damage was on the corner of the hull, which would be hard to protect with fenders. When a boat starts bouncing around due to wind and/or swells, fenders tend to roll around and shift their position. Even if the threat were along the side of the hull, fenders would likely ride up at some point and cease to be effective. Perhaps a whole bunch of oversized ball type fenders would work, but most Macs are not so equipped.
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Ed,

Thanks for the details, especially precautions taken. This will "help" a lot with our seasonal "storm" preps.

Glad you have insurance. As someone already said, the damage definately appears repairable.
I wanted to mention that my Mac-X endured Hurricane Ike within the Marina Slip, here in Kemah, Tex., lots of wind, big storm surge, and the only damage found was the captain's chair which apprently was wind-blown open, and then slammed down. Amazingly, only a couple of small chips along the edge of the chair.

You'll be back sailing/and power motoring soon !

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I love this site and the people willing to share the good and the bad. I learn something new everytime I read the postings. Ed thanks so much for sharing your misfortune, everyone who reads it will learn something. All looks fixable with elbow grease and those in short supply boat dollars. No one was hurt, only the wallet. Take care and see you out there. Mike S/V Moondancer
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Post by dennisneal »

Please accept my condolences regarding the damage to your boat. And, I'm glad that you've chosen to share your experiences.

On the bright side:

I've seen several photos of small, and large, boats that were totally destroyed by Irene. It appears that yours can be repaired and back on the water in a short period of time.
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First all let me thank all of you who responded positively and for your concern.

I decided since I started on this road by sharing this experience with you, I will continue to share as I receive updates. This way we can all learn what not only how I prepped, and endured IRENE, but the consequences of those decisions, and now the insurance process that follows. Hopefully an understanding that will help those of you who read this so you can be prepared should ever need to go through a similar situation.

I insure LAIKA through BoatUS having received the best price among those I shopped; even beating a quote I got from the USCGAUX of which I’m a member! Also, I’ve been a member of BoatUS for longer than I’ve been an Auxiliarist and I’ve always liked the customer reviews regarding BoaUS Insurance. The underwriters for BoatUS, at least in my case, is CNA, as written a Coast Guard Auxiliary Yacht Policy thereby giving me a discount.

To briefly bring you up to date, early last week I went online and submitted a claim form for the damage. Easy enough to do through the BoatUS web site. Since LAIKA was only cosmetically damage, I didn’t feel the need to call. But they do recommend doing just that if it’s something major like a sinking, and of course if there’s injury or death.

That was Tuesday the 30th, IRENE+2. They indicated that I’ll get a response in 24 HRS. Naturally I expected something Wednesday, but I honestly wasn’t surprised when I didn’t hear anything figuring there were a lot more boaters with more severe situations than mine, and I was ok with that. On Thursday Sept 1st, IRENE+4, I did in fact get a call from a Marine Surveyor representing the Insurance Company who wanted to check out LAIKA. He asked me a few questions to confirm the damage, as well as her present location. Answered pretty much verbatim what I wrote on the report, to which he mumbled “Yes, yes.” a lot. Actually a very painless process and he was most helpful. One thing to note, he did ask me if I had it looked at by a repair shop and if I had a quote. I said “No.” and that I was kind of hoping BoatUS would supply a list of Fiberglass Repair Shops. He told me they were not authorized to do that. Actually, with all the “Cooperating Marinas” and stuff, you would think they would be more than happy to recommend, or even refer you to someone. I honestly thought it would be something like Automotive Insurance (at least mine) where they prefer to send you to their shop. Legally, you could always decline if you prefer your “guy”, but personally I prefer they do all the research legwork regarding the repair facility and that the onus of having the job done right is on them. Now I have to go find a “good” fiberglass repair shop, and do the research myself. Other than being at the mercy of the Fates by just picking up a phonebook, GOOGLE, or asking around the town dock, I’m going to approach the boatyard where I use to keep my Bristol 29.9. They had done work for me, though not fiberglass repair, and they were always reasonable and worth it. Plus, since it looks like LAIKA won’t have an off-season home, I plan on wintering her at that boat yard. The place is a mast up yard, so I will have less to do during Spring Commissioning. They store it on my trailer, do the paint, and clean it. This weekend I plan to bring photo’s to start the estimate. I’ll have them do it when I haul her for the season since we have 5-6 weeks at the most.

On Friday, the 2nd, IRENE+5, I received a letter from BoatUS (which was dated 30th, before the Surveyor) stating they had informed the Insurance company of my claim, and that I should protect my boat as best as I can to prevent further damage. They listed suggestions along with how to “pickle” it if it was submerged and what to do about other damages up to and including salvage, etc. In my case of minor/cosmetic they request that I arrange to have a facility of “my choice” prepare an estimate with a breakdown labor/parts and Fax/mail (enclosed envelope) to them so I can get the “go-ahead” to start the work and or wait until they send the check if you prefer. They state “Don’t start repairs” until they approve. They also state they’ll pay all reasonable cost’s and to call if you have questions or need help.

Well, if you’ve read this far I commend you with putting up with me. This is basically where I’m at and as soon as I get any news and/or surprises, I’ll pass it on to you my faithful reader lol!! So far it really hasn’t been painful, and I am still grateful this is all that happened.

One last thing (promise), seeing the damage to the lines, though they did hold up well enough, I plan to replace ALL that were used during IRENE. The heat damage ALONE to the 3-strand Nylon lines on the dock warrants replacement. You really don't understand the power of these storms with respect to the constant strain on these lines until you see it. I had a hard time undoing them! I could see why having GOOD lines is still problematic due to the thermal stresses at the knot. No wonder we see many a vessel on the hard after a storm! FWIW, I use 1 full turn with a minimum of three figure-eights and a weather hitch on all season-long dock cleats. I’m rethinking the earlier idea of using the mooring now as well, just haul her as recommended.

This was claimed to be a Cat 1 storm when she hit. Post storm meteorological data that day at Mt Sinai, NY (courtesy wunderground.com) indicated max sustained windspeed 45 mph with Gusts to 65 mph, over a period of three hours, which is less than a Cat 1. I tell you I was surprised how deformed the cleat knots were at the dock. Maybe, MAYBE use the mooring, but only with double lines, and a chain/heavy duty snubber to the tow eye as a back up!

Fair Seas and following seas shipmates!
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Just read this and sry to hear of your damage. VERY interested in your experience with Boatus as I bet a bunch of us r!! Thanks for keeping us informed.
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For those that had been following the thread, I apologize for the late response. Here it is IRENE+36 and I finally got some news worth mentioning.

Shortly after my last posting, I was down at the dock just returning from a ballast dump, the ballast I took on for the hurricane but didn’t have a chance to purge, when I ran into a fellow who is VERY interested in purchasing a Mac 26X…no, I’m not selling and this is not where it’s going!! But as providence would have it, it was the chance encounter with his friend, who owns a boat at the other end of the dock that led me to the solution of repair.

Apparently this fellow had damage as well, and if I may, learned then that many vessels at the docks had damage from IRENE, more than I thought had. See, the tide was so high that day as a result of the moon and the storm that most of the boats were ABOVE the pilings during the height of the storm!! You need to understand two things, the top of the pilings seem to average about 8 ft above a normal high tide, and most powerboats dock “stern to” in their slip. Meaning their stern is at the floating dock, and the bow is at the piling, while most of us sailors tend to dock “bow to”, so my stern rubbed against the pole.

What happened too many of the power boaters were so high that as the tide fell, their bow “flares” got hung up on the pilings and had punched holes through their hulls! Kinda like my childhood friend Tommy who got is jaw impaled on a fence while jumping over it!

Anyway, he gave me a card to a fiberglass repairman whom he recommends as doing high quality work. So I gave the guy a call hoping for an estimate. Soon enough the guy called and we arranged to meet at the boat.

He showed up on time, looked the boat over, and discussed what to do and what I can expect, pretty much straightforward. Several things to note: He informed me he could not just replace the damaged section of the rub rail, but needs to replace the whole thing, which I had originally thought anyway and wanted since the rub rail had seen it’s better years. But he was concerned about the not being able to find the rub-rail stating it was an older type and may not be manufactured anymore. I told him if he had any trouble to let me know and I have resources to point out some suppliers (namely YOU guys) and it’s not a major concern to me. What was a concern was that he asked me who the insurer was and for the insurance claim number, claiming he does this all the time and get’s the best deal. What does that mean?? Now remember, this is my first boat claim, I have NO idea what proper procedure is, and BoatUS stated that I needed an itemized quote so they could compare the numbers BEFORE they would cut a check for the repairs. What do you mean deal?? I just want the boat fixed properly. But since I was in the moment, and I could always back out, I gave it to him.

A week later he called asking that I bring LAIKA to a local Marina (one that I had done business with regarding my Bristol) so they could haul it so he can start the repairs. I naturally said…”Whoa, where’s the itemized quote?” He said not to worry, the “girl” should have called me by now, everything is taken care of…and…..the check is in the mail! Well I called BoatUS and they did not know what this guy was talking about. I called him back, he seemed surprised as he had just spoke with the "girl” and said he was going to follow through, I told him get me a quote, he said “ok”. Since I was not committed, I let it go knowing I wasn’t moving the boat anywhere, and the repair itself isn’t time dependant.

About a week or so ago (23rd of Sept, IRENE+26) I get another call from him asking AGAIN for me to move the boat to Ralphs for hauling. Again I said “Whoa, where’s the itemized quote…dude?” He tells me I should have received the check, he had been in contact with BoatUS and that everything is proceeding, but I need to call Ralph's to arrange the boat to be hauled as they want MY permission to do so! BTW, Ralph Fishing Station is the aforementioned Marina if you haven’t figured that one out. So I says…”Dude…..that boat is going NOWHERE until YOU provide me with an ITEMIZED quote, period.” He goes on to agree on doing so, that he’s just trying to be helpful because he “good” and he save’s his customers money. Is this the "deal"?? I don't want a deal, I just want my boat fixed for a price my insurance company agrees too! I reply “Well that’s nice, call when the quote is ready, and have a NICE day dude.”

Again, I’m NOT that concerned because if you remember the original plan was to have the boat yard with whom I’m storing LAIKA at for the winter is who I planned to eventually do the repair. Where I am still concerned is in bringing the boat to a yard, having it hauled and repaired, only to have BoatUS not pay the bill in the end! Also, I don’t do insurance fraud, I’m not saying this guy is into that sort of thing, but he was awful pushy without providing documentation…”I handle everything!”. "It's a GREAT deal" (WTF with a deal??) Sounds too good to be true, I am a cautious man. Trying to be a good Christian (actually not) here and not prejudge…but ya know what I mean? Why is he so determined to get the boat into repair before I have a check in my hand?? Also, regarding any "deal" I choose not to have ANY impropriety in my life. Insurance rates are bad enough without millions of people (yes, millions) who take advantage of situations to make an extra buck. BoatUS gives us a very specific set of instructions on what to do here, I am a very anal, and honorable guy. Which means I follow instructions to the letter so I sleep well at night.

Let’s finish this tale of adventure for now before y’all hit the delete button. After I got off the phone with him, I went to Ralph’s and talked to them about my newest, apparently bestest, friend. Much to my surprise, other than stating he is not associated with them, they had NOTHING but good remarks about him, claiming he is one of the best in the business. All his customers are walk away happy. As I said, I’ve done business with Ralphs for a number of years and trust their word. So here we are at this past Saturday (IRENE+34), and I received a phone call from my “friend” asking to meet so I can get the quote. Yay! I said fine and agreed to meet him on Sunday (yesterday). He also asked if I had received the check, I said “No”. But in fact my friends…I did! That very same day! But I wanted to see his quote first and see if it matched BEFORE I gave up the goods! FWIW, the letter from BoatUS DID state it was based on contact with this individual and it agreed upon what the BoatUS Surveyor thought it should be. I met up with Brion, he was actually working on a rather large Sportfisherman with a rather LARGE hole in the bow, yep..IRENE! I got the quote, talked with him a bit, and felt a bit better about the whole situation. In the end, all I care about is having the boat repaired properly, with no layout of cash other than my deductible. So with that in mind, I decided to go ahead with him and plan on arranging having the boat hauled within a week, so stay tuned…if you so care…dude!!

FWIW, the quote matches the check EXACTLY to the penny. Now I’m not going to share with you the $$’s at this time. I will save that, including a chance to see the quote yourself, for my next update. What I would like from those of you following along, is what YOU think this may cost. So come up with numbers and we’ll see who’s closest in the end!! That’ll make this a real learning experience for all! Oh, apparently he found the rub rail! Dude!
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Hey Ed....tear up that check and come up to Albany,...Ive got a great DEAL for ya....

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

I think you were prudent about this but if the boatyard is willing to step up for the guy, he probably is on the up and up. My bet is this whole thing will work out well for you.
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Seems like taking down the mast would have been a good idea; less windage and rocking.
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