M26X Design Category Certificate

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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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For what it's worth, the topic of European CE Certification came up on this Forum way back in 2009. Sadly, some of its more potentially helpful images and links have suffered badly from "web rot" and have long since gone off to 404-Land never to return, but some of the other info there may still be of use: http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... =9&t=14062.

One promising lead found in that bygone thread was the name of the company that once exported MacGregor Yachts, Sharp Marine Industries, Inc. But sadly, that company seems to have dissolved in 2015. (See: https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/S ... a=C1484150)

In a pinch, English speakers might try tossing a line to our British cousins of The MacGregor Owners Association, UK, who, Brexit notwithstanding, may have had to deal with the CE Certification thing. They may well have some guidance to offer. One can find a contact email near the foot of their webpage at: https://macgregorowners.org.uk/

One might also ask the good folks at the International Marine Certification Institute in Belgium, which is an issuer of such CE Certifications to boat manufacturers, which allows them to post that required CE label for European import, if they may have any information on file about the MacGregor models that they could share. Their contact info can be found here: https://www.imci.org/7.
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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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Cougar wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 7:27 am A promotion video won't do the trick. Official documents should. I have the official certification details at hand and already contacted Jodipart about it.
Do you have a copy of that certification you can PM to me so I can put it in the "Resources" section of this site for future owners who might need it?
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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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Bilgemaster wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:05 pmOne promising lead found in that bygone thread was the name of the company that once exported MacGregor Yachts, Sharp Marine Industries, Inc. But sadly, that company seems to have dissolved in 2015. (See: https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/S ... a=C1484150)
Would that be Laura Sharp, daughter of Roger MacGregor and owner of Tattoo Yachts?
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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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Tomfoolery wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:53 am
Bilgemaster wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:05 pmOne promising lead found in that bygone thread was the name of the company that once exported MacGregor Yachts, Sharp Marine Industries, Inc. But sadly, that company seems to have dissolved in 2015. (See: https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/S ... a=C1484150)
Would that be Laura Sharp, daughter of Roger MacGregor and owner of Tattoo Yachts?
None other! Good eye! I'd want YOU on the bow on a foggy night! Attached is the Notice of Dissolution...


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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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Jodipart wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 3:58 am Hello,

Thank you for the elucidative response.

Unfortunately, it all makes sense now: my boat was built in 1997 and the 1st registration date in Portugal is from 2006
By the way: Were it was registrated bevore?
If it was in the EU it should be no problem.

And even more I would ask the exact rouls: I think boats bevor 1998 no not need CE. And the do not need CE today in EU.
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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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Being an early-retiree with some time on his hands, while having my morning coffee on my deck with the chipmunk (who actually prefers sunflower seeds in the shell), I took the liberty of sending an enquiry to that International Marine Certification Institute described in an earlier posting. For ready reference their very prompt reply is shown below, with my original email to them below that.

There's not much guidance concerning the 26X model, but it seems the 26M was indeed CE certified 2003-2013. The main issues would appear to be the type of engine used and a rather expensive inspection. They especially reference the information concerning "Post Construction Assessment" (PCA) found here: www.imci.org/41

In view of their prompt and helpful response, I would not hesitate to recommend contacting the Institute for further guidance.

However, as with many bureaucratic hurdles, there is very often some "dodge" or "workaround", like the fact that lacking a title for my trailer (it may never have had one), and having been unsuccessful obtaining one by the long and standard path of submitting affidavits, etc., I eventually simply declared it as "home built". Similarly, also reaching out to 26X owners in Europe for tips and advice, as I've already suggested, might also prove fruitful, practical and, above all, cost-effective.

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Dear William Connelly,
 
Thank you for your enquiry!
 
The MacGregor 26X was never certified for the EU market.
The MacGregor26M was indeed certified for model years 2003 to 2013.
 
Whether individual watercraft produced for the US and EU market are identical is in way assured. The manufacturer confirms that a vessel intended for EU is compliant with the regulations with the Declaration of Conformity (DoC). This is the legal document showing the craft’s unique identification number for registration in EU.
 
A model year 2001 26X will not obviously have such a DoC.
The procedure provided by Directive 2013/53/EU in a case like this is the Post Construction Assessment (PCA)
You can learn about the details on our website: www.imci.org/41
 
The major issue is the engine, which has to fulfil today’s exhaust emission limits. No engine from 2001 will do that.
 
And, as there is a mandatory inspection, this will not come cheap. You should expect something in the EUR 4000 range.
 
Best regards
 
Guido Voerste
International Marine Certification Institute
 

 

 
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From: William Connelly <[Email address redacted]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: CE Certification for MacGregor 26X or 26M "Power-Sailboats"
 
Dear Sir or Madam:

Although you are headquartered in Belgium, I trust that it is acceptable to contact you in English, since your website where I found your contact information is in that language. Sadly, my French is very poor, and my Flemish non-existent. However, my German is fairly good, having lived there several years, so if for some reason it may be easier to respond "auf Deutsch" please feel free to do so.

I am the owner of a 2001 MacGregor 26X, a unique hybrid brand of power sailboat described in this factory promotional video: It and its similar successor model the 26M were produced between 1995 and 2013 by MacGregor Yacht Corporation of Costa Mesa, California, as described in this Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGregor_26. Many were exported to Europe and elsewhere by a company called Sharp Industries, Inc., also headquartered in California, but sadly both companies have long since been dissolved and can no longer be contacted.

I am led to understand that the exported boats received a CE Certification, which was not required at the time in the United States or Canada. Since the companies that made and exported them no longer exist, I am hoping that you may be able to help one obtain the documentation or information necessary or helpful in doing so. I presume you may still have records concerning the CE Certification of the 26X and 26M, and would greatly appreciate your sharing them, and thank you in advance for your kind consideration in this matter.

With Regards,
William Connelly
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Re: M26X Design Category Certificate

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Russ wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:37 am
Cougar wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 7:27 am A promotion video won't do the trick. Official documents should. I have the official certification details at hand and already contacted Jodipart about it.
Do you have a copy of that certification you can PM to me so I can put it in the "Resources" section of this site for future owners who might need it?
Yep. I'll look 'em up and PM you.
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