Moving forestay forward/Adding 2nd forestay furler

[Skim61]

Sailors: I've read the forum posts regarding adding a 2nd stay for a jib. However, I haven't seen anything about adding a bowsprit to move the genoa Rigging forward, and using existing chain plate for a jib. Let me say I don't race or use a spinnaker, as winds aren't light enough here. If wind dies, I motor and fish. More concerned with being able to lessen sail area in normal 10kn+ tradewinds. Any thoughts on a bowsprit? Should it be mahogany and include the anchor roller, or be a simple V of SS tubing strictly to connect the forestay/bobstay?

[Russ]

Highlander

[JaxMacX]

I've seen that video before.

Was there any benefit to the overall speed? It looks like it was struggling more than sailing.

[kurz]

adding a 2nd stay for a jib. However, I haven't seen anything about adding a bowsprit to move the genoa Rigging forward,

I also think if a Jib could improve sailing comparing to a rolled in genoa.

My thinking goes in a KIS solution:
Install a temporary 2nd stay and go to the cleats. Hoist the jib. Later take away all.

Whats the pros an cons? Or makes this setting no sense?

[Skim61]

I did see that video and sent DM to Highlander. What an awesome setup!! Not sure if doing what I'm planning needs a backstay or not.

I've seen the 2nd stay added between the forward hatch and ground tackle locker. Was just thinking how nice a bowsprit would look and it's functionality.

A full jib will definitely give better performance than a furled genoa.

[Highlander]

I've seen that video before.

Was there any benefit to the overall speed? It looks like it was struggling more than sailing.

Really
r u looking an realizing the seas I,m cutting into plus a head wind look at my flags flying aft ! I,m sailing into 1-2 meter waves almost head on u my friend would b sitting dead in the water or making very little head way while my boat is cutting thru these waters like sliced cheese , when my bow raises right outa the water ur boat would b blown sideways & stall where as my boat continues over that wave & plows deep into the next wave & continues sailing where as ur boat would b stopped dead in the water by the force of that wave ! , why do U think that is Mmm !

Also how un observant u r , u did not mention or notice the boat is sailing all by it,s self as I,m having a pop & chips while holding onto the bimini supports
Just sayin Thats All
PS if u had been checking up on my mods & studied them u would never have posted this quote

[Highlander]

I've seen that video before.

Was there any benefit to the overall speed? It looks like it was struggling more than sailing.

Really
r u looking an realizing the seas I,m cutting into plus a head wind look at my flags flying aft ! I,m sailing into 1-2 meter waves almost head on u my friend would b sitting dead in the water or making very little head way while my boat is cutting thru these waters like sliced cheese , when my bow raises right outa the water ur boat would b blown sideways & stall where as my boat continues over that wave & plows deep into the next wave & continues sailing where as ur boat would b stopped dead in the water by the force of that wave ! , why do U think that is Mmm !

Also how un observant u r , u did not mention or notice the boat is sailing all by it,s self as I,m having a pop & chips while holding onto the bimini supports
Just sayin Thats All
PS if u had been checking up on my mods & studied them u would never have posted this quote

[Highlander]

I've seen that video before.

Was there any benefit to the overall speed? It looks like it was struggling more than sailing.

Really
r u looking an realizing the seas I,m cutting into plus a head wind look at my flags flying aft ! I,m sailing into 1-2 meter waves almost head on u my friend would b sitting dead in the water or making very little head way while my boat is cutting thru these waters like sliced cheese , when my bow raises right outa the water ur boat would b blown sideways & stall where as my boat continues over that wave & plows deep into the next wave & continues sailing where as ur boat would b stopped dead in the water by the force of that wave ! , why do U think that is Mmm !

Also how un observant u r , u did not mention or notice the boat is sailing all by it,s self as I,m having a pop & chips while holding onto the bimini supports
Just sayin Thats All
PS if u had been checking up on my mods & studied them u would never have posted this quote

[PSNA]

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

I actually remember when Highlander bought that boat. He had the vision to turn the basic sloop into a cutter. There was a lot of thought, time, and money spent to create something that is indeed unusual and functional.

The result was a success in my eyes. The boat does perform better. And he is rightfully proud of his accomplishment.

For the average sailor, you do not need any of these modifications. Simply understanding the boat and a little sailing knowledge will help most people handle above-average winds.

1. You can furl the genoa down to 100%. Although sail shape is not the same, it isn't going to have a big impact at these wind speeds.

2. Have you ever heard of reefing the main to balance the boat?

3. If you can't understand the above, then purchase a new furling system with a two-channel luff extrusion. Buy a furling jib and genoa and make your choice based on weather conditions.

Finally, I have been to Hawaii many times over the years. I wouldn't sail on the windward side without a bunch of lead under me. The leeward side is a little better but the trades will still throw a lightweight boat around like a rubber duck in a tub.

Aside from Highlander, I have never understood why so many people here believe that they can throw a ton of money at what they perceive is a "fixable" problem. It can't.

[Skim61]

I agree. Ridiculousness.

Not sure how a simple question for a mod that I choose to do to my boat has ruffled feathers. I was only looking for advice from someone who has pulled off the mod successfully. Imitation is a form of flattery. Though I wouldn't go to the extent Highlander did, that boat is truly in a class by itself.

I LlVE in Hawaii. I DO sail on both windward and leeward sides year round. I KNOW the conditions here. I DO NOT want to have a double furler. I DO want to make the mods I CHOOSE to my boat for my local conditions and you can scoff all you'd like.

ALOHA to all!

[Jimmyt]

I agree. Ridiculousness.

Not sure how a simple question for a mod that I choose to do to my boat has ruffled feathers. I was only looking for advice from someone who has pulled off the mod successfully. Imitation is a form of flattery. Though I wouldn't go to the extent Highlander did, that boat is truly in a class by itself.

I LlVE in Hawaii. I DO sail on both windward and leeward sides year round. I KNOW the conditions here. I DO NOT want to have a double furler. I DO want to make the mods I CHOOSE to my boat for my local conditions and you can scoff all you'd like.

ALOHA to all!

Your boat, your rules. I think it's a fine idea. But, I'm a bit ridiculous myself.

I don't think your post was the real issue.

I'd go stainless on the sprit. Not a fan of outside wood bright work. Looks great, but more effort to maintain than I want.

[JaxMacX]

Hi Highlander, I didn't mean to slight you. I'm very new (a few weeks) into boat ownership. I don't know anything that I am looking at. So I meant my question in all sincerity. What was the benefit of adding the extra sails and sailing with the boat practically on its side. I guess its a matter of intent. I see the MacX that we purchased as a cruising boat to take out with the family on nice days. I would be scared out of my mind to be on the boat laying over like that.

[Jimmyt]

... I would be scared out of my mind to be on the boat laying over like that.

That's how he looks for loose change under the cabin cushions.

[NiceAft]

JaxMacX,

As you get more comfortable with how your Mac comes back after heeling, you will/might just enjoy pushing your boat to extremes. The Admiral and I have had Nice Aft heeling in excess of 40 degrees and felt completely in control.

When heeling in that extreme, you make very little headway, but you get a lot of thrills. Trust in your ballast tank

The looks on the faces of nearby boaters is priceless.

[Skim61]

Totally agree, NiceAft. It's like the big roller coaster vs the kiddie rides! You just have to trust the way the boat reacts. 20° heel is when she will settle in. You'll get accustomed to sitting on the windward bench and looking down at the water.