I am in the process of selecting options for our new M. The dealer here favors the new Evenrude E-tec 50 HP two stroke.
I have no experience with this motor. The numbers look good and it is EPA 2006 certified. I would like to know if anyone has experience with this motor.
Is it quite? Fuel usage? Does it run? will it be 2007-8-9... certified?
For close to $8K I would like to know more before I jumped on it.
Thanks for any help that you could give.
New Boat motor options
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Jeff WYllie
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New Boat motor options
Last edited by Jeff WYllie on Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
I love my 40, which is the same as the 50. The only difference is the computer is detuned.
Yes, it runs! It allows you to swing a 14" prop, which is a huge advantage on these boats.
It is as quite as any 4 stroke that I've seen.
It is quite miserly, especially at the lower RPMs, where it doesn't inject a full fuel load... So, low speed motor sailing is VERY efficient.
With the injection being computer controlled, it doesn't inject fuel, until the exhaust prot is closed, thereby solveing the major inefficiency problem with normal 2-strokes.
Also, I think they are actually certified through 2008.
It is more expensive initially, but there is no maintenance for three years. No oil changes period...
Yes, it runs! It allows you to swing a 14" prop, which is a huge advantage on these boats.
It is as quite as any 4 stroke that I've seen.
It is quite miserly, especially at the lower RPMs, where it doesn't inject a full fuel load... So, low speed motor sailing is VERY efficient.
With the injection being computer controlled, it doesn't inject fuel, until the exhaust prot is closed, thereby solveing the major inefficiency problem with normal 2-strokes.
Also, I think they are actually certified through 2008.
It is more expensive initially, but there is no maintenance for three years. No oil changes period...
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Jeff WYllie
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Thank you for the help. It is just nice to hear someone say they like the motor other than the person selling it.
I will have to do some research into what type of prop to use assuming I have a say in it. any help here would be greatfully accepted.
Thanks again
I just cant wait to get the new girl on the water.
I will have to do some research into what type of prop to use assuming I have a say in it. any help here would be greatfully accepted.
Thanks again
I just cant wait to get the new girl on the water.
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aya16
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Jeff my opinion is the 4 stroke is the way to go unless you go with a 90hp.
e-tech is a two stroke that is very complex, The point of two strokes in the past was light weight, simple and easy to maintain. The new 2 strokes are complex not much lighter then a 4 stroke and frankly no one but evenrude/ johnson and tohatsu are going in this direction. Everyone else is going 4 stroke.
I have a 4 stroke for the first time and Its ok, it isnt as quite as some might say at full throttle but it can idle all day long charging batteries. and it wont foul plugs.
I was looking at a mercury 9.9 yesterday and was amazed at the bulk of it compared to my 15hp force 2 stroke. But I bet the merc would run all day sipping gas.
If you went mercury I would go with the big foot 60
tohatsu I would go with the 90 2 stroke
suzuki the 50 4 stroke
evenrude the etech 2 stroke 90 if they make one.
yamaha the 60
honda I dont know...
But would I put a 2 stroke 50? no way for me
e-tech is a two stroke that is very complex, The point of two strokes in the past was light weight, simple and easy to maintain. The new 2 strokes are complex not much lighter then a 4 stroke and frankly no one but evenrude/ johnson and tohatsu are going in this direction. Everyone else is going 4 stroke.
I have a 4 stroke for the first time and Its ok, it isnt as quite as some might say at full throttle but it can idle all day long charging batteries. and it wont foul plugs.
I was looking at a mercury 9.9 yesterday and was amazed at the bulk of it compared to my 15hp force 2 stroke. But I bet the merc would run all day sipping gas.
If you went mercury I would go with the big foot 60
tohatsu I would go with the 90 2 stroke
suzuki the 50 4 stroke
evenrude the etech 2 stroke 90 if they make one.
yamaha the 60
honda I dont know...
But would I put a 2 stroke 50? no way for me
my 2 cents - I like the ETEC Salt Water 90HP
Here's the link, read the specs on the E90DSL, it has the 20" length that I think the Mac26 needs.
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/Engines/2 ... IN-LINE.3/
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If shop around for it, please let us know the best price. Thank You
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/Engines/2 ... IN-LINE.3/
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If shop around for it, please let us know the best price. Thank You
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Jeff WYllie
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Thank you for the input guys.
I am not sure if the dealer has some sort of incentive to install the E-tec or not, but he sure does like them. I am kind of unsure about the new two stroke. I was told it had a smaller profile than the merc. It was aslo able to tilt up without lifting the rear seat/swim access as well as staying clear of the water when tilted.
Is that true? Do you have to lift the seat up to tilt with a merc and does it drag in the water when under sail? I have never heard this before.
The other thing that sounds like a plus is no dealer maint for three years.
The alsmost $8K figure is with installed tach, controls and two tanks.
One more thing...I thought the max HP on these boats was 50HP. Are people actually installing 90HP motors on these boats? ( move over Miss Budwiser...I'm on starboard )
Thanx again for all your help, people here seem to know there Mac's
I am not sure if the dealer has some sort of incentive to install the E-tec or not, but he sure does like them. I am kind of unsure about the new two stroke. I was told it had a smaller profile than the merc. It was aslo able to tilt up without lifting the rear seat/swim access as well as staying clear of the water when tilted.
Is that true? Do you have to lift the seat up to tilt with a merc and does it drag in the water when under sail? I have never heard this before.
The other thing that sounds like a plus is no dealer maint for three years.
The alsmost $8K figure is with installed tach, controls and two tanks.
One more thing...I thought the max HP on these boats was 50HP. Are people actually installing 90HP motors on these boats? ( move over Miss Budwiser...I'm on starboard )
Thanx again for all your help, people here seem to know there Mac's
By the book, the limit is 50hp.
MacGregor does allow selected dealer(s) install up to 70hp. This requires no modifications to the boat, as I understand it, just a real good install, probably with metal backing plates, etc...
There is at least one
with a 140hp outboard and several / 
's in the 90-115 range...
Personally, I'd want significant backing plates for anything over 50hp. I'd also want significant internal fiberglass reinforcement for anything over 70hp.
One thing to remember, MacGregor will have a great excuse to not honor any warranty claim if you an oversized motor. This may not be an issue for you...
I tentatively plan to move my 40hp to a RIB tender/dingy/run-about in a few years and replace it with a 90hp ETEC...
IIRC, Scott has a supercharged V8. But, that takes up valuable cockpit space...
The M's seat would possibly interfere with larger motor's tilting. I know that there is NO issue with the 40-60 hp Etec. Other ~50hp outboards do seem to have a larger cowling, but I can't speak for their clearance on an M...
MacGregor does allow selected dealer(s) install up to 70hp. This requires no modifications to the boat, as I understand it, just a real good install, probably with metal backing plates, etc...
There is at least one
with a 140hp outboard and several / 's in the 90-115 range...Personally, I'd want significant backing plates for anything over 50hp. I'd also want significant internal fiberglass reinforcement for anything over 70hp.
One thing to remember, MacGregor will have a great excuse to not honor any warranty claim if you an oversized motor. This may not be an issue for you...
I tentatively plan to move my 40hp to a RIB tender/dingy/run-about in a few years and replace it with a 90hp ETEC...
IIRC, Scott has a supercharged V8. But, that takes up valuable cockpit space...
The M's seat would possibly interfere with larger motor's tilting. I know that there is NO issue with the 40-60 hp Etec. Other ~50hp outboards do seem to have a larger cowling, but I can't speak for their clearance on an M...
How often do you drive your car at wide open throttle?
The advantage of the bigger motor are:
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1.) You can cruise well above hull speed way below wide open throttle, this provides a quiet ride, and with fuel injection the larger engine does not use any more fuel than the smaller one. This would be a big factor for my family going on a long cruise which involved many hours of motoring.
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2.) When you want to you can go fast or pull a water skier. A lot more fun for the kids on their tube. Pulling a tow toy tube with two kids on it behind a 50hp Mac26X takes away 5+ mph from the top speed with ballast.
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3.) You will have the larger prop and excellent control for docking.
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4.) more charging amps in most cases a lot more.
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5.) the engine running at less than wide open might outlast a smaller one running wide open all the time.
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The disadvantage of the bigger motor are:
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1.) higher cost to buy, and to maintain
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2.) extra weight and bulk
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3.) not able to go as slow like for trolling
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4.) harder to pull start, maybe impossible to pull start
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5.) more atractive for outboard theives with chainsaws, before mounting your outboard, put an anti chainsaw metal part across the transom where the top outboard motor mount holes will go through it, and place welded eyes on it for pulling the tow toys and locking your motor in place.
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1.) You can cruise well above hull speed way below wide open throttle, this provides a quiet ride, and with fuel injection the larger engine does not use any more fuel than the smaller one. This would be a big factor for my family going on a long cruise which involved many hours of motoring.
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2.) When you want to you can go fast or pull a water skier. A lot more fun for the kids on their tube. Pulling a tow toy tube with two kids on it behind a 50hp Mac26X takes away 5+ mph from the top speed with ballast.
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3.) You will have the larger prop and excellent control for docking.
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4.) more charging amps in most cases a lot more.
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5.) the engine running at less than wide open might outlast a smaller one running wide open all the time.
..
The disadvantage of the bigger motor are:
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1.) higher cost to buy, and to maintain
..
2.) extra weight and bulk
..
3.) not able to go as slow like for trolling
..
4.) harder to pull start, maybe impossible to pull start
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5.) more atractive for outboard theives with chainsaws, before mounting your outboard, put an anti chainsaw metal part across the transom where the top outboard motor mount holes will go through it, and place welded eyes on it for pulling the tow toys and locking your motor in place.
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parrothead
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If you decide to stay at 50 HP and price is a consideration, the Tohatsu TLDI is an option that shouldn't be overlooked. The Nissan 50 TLDI is the same motor with a different color scheme. Current MSRP is $5,770 - which is about what the Nissan on our '05 cost, installed.
For details, see http://www.tohatsu.com/outboards/50tldi.html It's a nice compact unit and, in its first year at least, has not given us any reason to complain.
cost, installed. For details, see http://www.tohatsu.com/outboards/50tldi.html It's a nice compact unit and, in its first year at least, has not given us any reason to complain.
I have a 97 Nissan 50D same as the Tohatsu 50D.
I was looking at the TLDI 50 because it's supposed to be so much better and was thinking of upgrading.
But I was disappointed looking at the fuel mileage for the 50 TLDI, it's only marginally better than the old 50D: 5.0 gal/hr for TLDI vs 5.2 gal/hr for the old 50D. The fuel useage chart is right on the Tohatsu website.
That's not enough for me to trade in my reliable old 50D that is running fine.
I was looking at the TLDI 50 because it's supposed to be so much better and was thinking of upgrading.
But I was disappointed looking at the fuel mileage for the 50 TLDI, it's only marginally better than the old 50D: 5.0 gal/hr for TLDI vs 5.2 gal/hr for the old 50D. The fuel useage chart is right on the Tohatsu website.
That's not enough for me to trade in my reliable old 50D that is running fine.