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Idle Time · Post by **Idle Time** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:38 am

We have an X for sale listed on this site ..but I just saw one at www.boattrader.com with the full cockpit enclosure that looks like a great buy...if anyone is looking for one.

Post by **kmclemore** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:51 am

If this is the one you're referring to, yeah it seems like a pretty good deal. Nicely detailed.

I'm gonna copy that towel bar in the head! But what is that thing in the starboard dinette window? Air conditioner?

gamriebay · Post by **gamriebay** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:05 am

I think that might be a microwave on the starboard side, but there looks to be an air conditoner over the forward v-berth.
Check out the greenery

and is that a roller blind over the v-berth?

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:45 pm

Does anyone know who makes that enclosure? I have the same one I think, that I bought with the Mac from Art - maybe local to Boston area?

argonaut · Post by **argonaut** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:57 pm

hmmm...
Deduct $3K for junky Honda ob. (17-20mph.... uh, sure...)
Add $3K for dual axle trailer.
Add $2K for full enclosure.
What the heck is that head-banger over the aft dinette seat?

Lloyd Franks · Post by **Lloyd Franks** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:08 pm

Why do you think the Honda is "junkie"? Mine was always bullet-proof.

eric3a · Post by **eric3a** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:30 pm

Bobby T.-26X #4767 · Post by **Bobby T.-26X #4767** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:37 pm

argonaut wrote: What the heck is that head-banger over the aft dinette seat?

i think it might be this...

$339 Waterproof Box @ WM

Bob T.
"DaBob"
'02X w/ '04 90-TLDI (14" x 11 pitch)
Dinghy Motor: '06 2.5-Suzuki (H20-Pump Recalled)

Post by **kmclemore** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:53 pm

OK, I think I've sussed it out. The clue is there's a TV on the dinette table. If you zoom up the picture and do some minor cleanup of the stray pixels, you can see it's a VCR or DVD player in a housing hanging from the overhread (#1 in the picture).

The next question is, what are #2 and #3? #3 is not a speaker - there's already a pair visible on either side of the cabin.

Is #2 a fly swatter?

Is #3 a webcam pointing at the v-berth? If so, I'm not sure I wanna know much more!

Post by **kmclemore** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:02 pm

Oh, jeeez... I just figured out #2 and 3.... it's a fan! Doh!

The view shows one of the blades on edge (the thin one) and the other on the flat (that looks like the swatter).

eric3a · Post by **eric3a** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:12 pm

Bobby T.-26X #4767 · Post by **Bobby T.-26X #4767** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:13 pm

spending way too much time on this...

argonaut · Post by **argonaut** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:39 pm

Why do you think the Honda is "junkie"? Mine was always bullet-proof.

Bullet proof? Actually a quick search turned up a post by you regarding a spinning prop problem on your Honda 50, so I'm not sure that counts as bullet proof, but whatever.
"Crappy" to me means harder than average to maintain and more expensive than average to fix. About any new motor will do fine for the warranty period. Mine's 10 with extremely low hours, but time has taken it's toll.
Search "Honda" and "carburetor" here and you'll see my original clogged carburetor post. Having owned one I see no sense in having carbs when EFI is available, especially at inflated Honda prices.
Yes, if you look after it like your only male offspring and run it dry and store it vertically every time and bla bla bla bla it might start next time. But search on here and you'll find everything from "won't start" to idle or power circuit problems and they all relate to the dang infintessimally tiny jets in the Kei-Hin carbs. Next size up Honda motor is EFI, they just chose to save money on the 50.
The Honda is as good as any triple carb 50hp ob IMHO, Only not really, if as in my case, noone in the area wants to service them and parts have to be ordered from Atlanta, and they're expensive as all getout because Honda doesn't let just anybody sell their parts. Ooooo, I love that. I'll take Skip's noisy but "starts every time" 2 stroke any day.
The biggest asset I thought my boat had when I bought it was the Honda.
It's proven the biggest liability. It's the thing I've thrown more money and time at than anything else. So far: 3 impellers, (one my fault!) 1 water pump assembly, 1 carb rebuild x 3, done myself because I don't have $1300 to throw around, 1 spun prop, intake manifod seals (yep, the manifold comes off to service the carbs), 1 trim motor from hull and miscellaneous trim pump o-rings, anodes for the water jacket and motor bracket, new battery wiring, and the rest normal stuff like plugs, oil, and filters. Every honda parts costs more than a comparable Merc or Yammy part, which by the way can be had anywhere along with willing mechanics. The factory service manual doesn't even include part numbers.

In a high duty cycle environment like a fishing fleet they're probably fine, and a fleet maintainer can stock parts. I just think they are less than optimal for a trailer sailer used 3-5 times a month a few minutes at a time.
As alternatives there are 4 stroke 50s with 4 valves per cylinder, timing chains instead of belts, direct port electronic fuel injection, high output at low rpm alternators (Honda's is 10A), with widely available (read competetively priced) parts and plenty of certified mechanics. Other motors are lighter, cheaper, and more powerful. There are also 2 strokes with oil injection that are light weight and as fuel efficient as the 4 strokes.
Knowing what I know after two years now, the Honda name means zero to me in the outboard motor world.

Divecoz · Post by **Divecoz** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:38 pm

kmclemore wrote:Oh, jeeez... I just figured out #2 and 3.... it's a fan! Doh!

The view shows one of the blades on edge (the thin one) and the other on the flat (that looks like the swatter).

Dang I kind of liked the webcam idea

Come on Argonaut tell me how you really feel about that Honda!
No laughing matter really . IMHO from what I see on Cozumel . Even their Big HP motors used everyday with what you might call reasonable maintenance they don't seem to last long. They were the RAGE for about 1 year maybe 2 and now. . . fewer and fewer are being seen. One thing to break down and have parts available. Another to have to have someone smuggle them down because of the lack of inventory within 200 miles . 200 miles from San Miguel Cozumel is an All Day Trip .
WE are seeing more and more Merc's again and some Suzu's as well. A friend who owns a Major shop on the island is thinking maybe those new E-tecs IF parts are available?????

Mark Chamberlain · Post by **Mark Chamberlain** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:55 pm

Honda motors are as reliable as any and better then most.
Yes tthe Carbs can get clogged, a filter will fix that.

timing belt is no problem, I have had the same one for 7 years and still no sign of wear. i bought a new one twoyears ago, it stil hanging ,waiting to see any signs of wear.

I have spun a prop, but this is from hitting things, better to replace a prop than a lower end case.

I am sure there are faster motors, but you have to go to higher horse powers to go 2 mph faster.

The load with a 12x10 power is huge, and low end has a lot of pull with that prop.

A little seafoam in the fuel tanks twice a year has allowed me to not hve one problem in over 500 hours of use.

I burnt out altenator windings, my fault, pulled a ground lose while running,

Motor still ran on Mag, and would hand start with no battery in it at all.
try that with EFI.
99.00 parts on hand in remote Fairbanks Alaska

some like Ford, chevy, outboard motors are no different,
I do know when it comes to small engines honda is the most consistant there is.

I have ran this motor for 6 hours non stop at 5300 rpm on a long trip to Cordova Alaska, and it just keeps going.

I have changed the impeller three times, running them out of water and in sand hitting the bottom will wear them out fast, as will all out board motors

I bought the motor in Canada new for 4500.00 with trim tilt and tach
and has never been to the shop once. That was cheap in1999 Canadian $ was .53 compared to .92 now.

just another point of view.
Mark

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