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Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:11 am**

Lease wrote:Regrade!

Renegade

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:02 pm**

I own a 2007 M but know the X pretty well. I will say that the bathroom arrangement on the X is superb having a sink and all, but all things being the same except the keeling system, I'd have to go with the M because I hate centerbolt maintenance.

with both boat being basically equipped the same I would stay with the M, hoping the steering system has been upgraded to last a bit longer ... I don't know ...

Big T

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:07 am**

ronacarme wrote:I find the M vs. X comments to be mostly instructive and hence of value, particulary for prospective purchasers.
However, I can easily do without overly combative, nasty, insulting or similarly discourteous comments, on ANY topic, on this site. Plenty of that available on talk radio and TV. Luckily, we have had virtually none of that on this board. Good job, moderators. Thanks.
Ron

Oh, p*ss off, Ron.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:08 am**

Divecoz wrote: I have a question too is there a big difference in Noise between the 1000 and the 2000

Nope, not much at all. Check the specs on the Honda site - I believe they're virtually the same.

On edit:

I checked here: http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/gensup.asp

The sound levels are *exactly* the same at 59dB @ 7 meters.

Oddly enough, the larger-still generator, the EU3000is, is even quieter at only 48 to58dB. But it weighs 134lbs!

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:01 am**

We will be back on line in April with a few more 08 up grades

Jack Sparrow

Posted: **Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:43 am**

Of course I would , and with the extra cash my blue hulled

gave me, I could buy a dedicated tow vehicle too

Posted: **Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:01 pm**

kmclemore wrote:The sound levels are *exactly* the same at 59dB @ 7 meters.

That is true when the EU1000 is putting out 900 watts and the EU2000 is putting out 1600 watts (their rated power, at which the 59 db was obtained). When putting out 900 watts, the EU2000 would be a bit quieter, and probably more importantly, the engine could be running at a lower, less annoying speed.

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Moe

Posted: **Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:41 pm**

Don't run a generator anymore but just a point we picked up over the years is that most generators should be run at least half loaded and preferably not run at the same load for long periods.
Not sure about the hondas but definitely would imagine running them at idle (battery charger) for a lifetime would not be good.

Posted: **Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:15 pm**

Most small generators have to run at a constant 3600 revolutions per minute to generate 60 cycles per second, regardless of the load on them. Their throttle is governed to maintain that rpm as the load varies.

The inverter generators, such as the Honda EU series, do not. They can run at a fixed rpm, but they can also use the "Eco-Throttle" to vary engine speed with load. Given that battery charging is a decreasing current load, their speed should drop over time as the battery charge increases.

Posted: **Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:19 pm**

Moe,
Not trying to pick nits here, but the governed engine rpm is dependent on the number of poles the generator has. The more poles, the lower the rpm needed to reach the 60 hertz standard. (The rpm will be some multiple of 60).
With that said, are there any small 4 pole generators running at 1,800 rpm on the market from someone? Maybe only the bigger models go that route.

Posted: **Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:38 pm**

Ric K wrote:I would edit that statement as follows: M owners would you UPGRADE to an X!!!! There is no doubt in my mind I made the right choice between an X and an M.

I was ready to purchase a brand new M, until I realized, that only the X would make the coastal cruiser I wanted.

When I get a chance I am going to post the following mods: Hot water heater, transom shower, built in chest refregerator, microwave, flat screen TV, inverter, custom Honda 2000 generator support, radar with interfacing chartploter/ GPS, and autopilot with remote control.

A lot of the mods I would not have beden able to fit on the M.

Next year I'm going to update my rig with the M's rotating mast, and I feel I will have the best of both worlds!!!!

RIK How would the backstay work with the rotating mast?

Posted: **Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:46 pm**

kmclemore wrote:
ronacarme wrote:I find the M vs. X comments to be mostly instructive and hence of value, particulary for prospective purchasers.
However, I can easily do without overly combative, nasty, insulting or similarly discourteous comments, on ANY topic, on this site. Plenty of that available on talk radio and TV. Luckily, we have had virtually none of that on this board. Good job, moderators. Thanks.
Ron
Oh, p*ss off, Ron.

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Posted: **Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:01 am**

Hardcrab wrote:Moe,
Not trying to pick nits here, but the governed engine rpm is dependent on the number of poles the generator has. The more poles, the lower the rpm needed to reach the 60 hertz standard. (The rpm will be some multiple of 60).
With that said, are there any small 4 pole generators running at 1,800 rpm on the market from someone? Maybe only the bigger models go that route.

No problem with nit-picking. Do that myself. Typically, only diesels have sufficient torque to drive a generator at 1,800 rpm. These aren't likely to be found as a portable, but there may be some smaller models designed for continuous rather than intermittent/emergency use, where the 1,800 rpm is desired.

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