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Yasser-

(Assuming this isn't a troll question)... That's an original question that we've NEVER heard here before!!

From your observations, I'll bet you will be a happy future owner! Yes, the sink in the head is necessary... as a catch-all for all the small stuff that has no where else to be put!

Remember the primary factor when choosing a Mac...

K9Kampers wrote:From your observations, I'll bet you will be a happy future owner! Yes, the sink in the head is necessary... as a catch-all for all the small stuff that has no where else to be put!

As is the sink in the 'galley', in my case at least. The only times they've ever seen water since I got it is when I deliberately dumped Lysol in water down them when I was done with the interior cleaning and disinfecting, and that was only to kill some of the nasties living in the tubing. Other than that, they hold my car keys, cel phone, and wallet when I'm sailing.

Why is it bad to have the V Berth "slightly isolated" ????

Rick

I sleep in tbe v berth and i am happy its not really visible. with a curtain one could close off the entire forward part of the boat in case of visitors. So it works well for me.
I keep the aft bunk clear and usable as a respite fot the occasional guest. Or the dogs. I miss the idea of the head in the x as a wet locker for storing raingear and dirty clothes. At least thats what i would use it for.

Ixneigh

what if the white boat has blue bottom paint?

It's what's under the covers that's important, just like a kilt....

You must be under six feet!

yasrkasem wrote:Hi again, as i said, very informative.
the privacy in the M model for the V berth is great if the bed size is fine for 2 adults which i doubt also the head size is so small comparing to the X model and without sink and noway to have shower inside it, or this what i understand from what i was reading here and there.
the traveler in the M can be easy moded to the X as i read when the cockpit is larger in the X.

here is another 2 queries:

Is it possible to find the measurements of the cabin of both model somewhere (V berth, Salon chairs, Table, Aft berth, etc), second thing is i'm located in UAE, Dubai where the boat prices are way far from the US or Europe prices, so, if i wanna send a Mac from US to UAE is there any way to know the shipping cost? shipping company? any hint will be huge help in my way to own a boat.

pleased to all replies, thanks all

Yasser

The X and M both fit on their trailer in a standard high-cube FEU (forty-foot equivalent unit) shipping container, so your best bet will be to have someone in Long Beach (near the Costa Mesa factory) containerize and secure a boat inside the container and then ship it via standard roll-on/roll-off cargo. Going this way from Port of Los Angeles to Port of Dubai will cost between US$3500 and US$4000, excluding customs.

The problem you'll have is getting someone to do it for you. You might be hard pressed to find a used seller willing to ship to a foreign port without full payment in advance, so you'd have to setup some sort of escrow account to satisfy everyone.

If you want to buy new, Sales at the Factory won't ship to destinations where there's a MacGregor dealership territory if I'm not mistaken, although you can contact Mike Inmon directly to determine whether or not they are capable of shipping to you. Also you can only buy the M model from the factory.

From http://www.freight-calculator.com

Ocean Container Rates from LosAngeles To Dubai (UAE)

Total Volume Weight 4000 lb or 1814.39 kgs.

DESCRIPTION VALUE RATE QTY. AMOUNT
Freight 40' Container $2,722.00 1 $2,722.00
Bunker Adjustment Factor [BAF Charges] 40' Container $150.00 1 $150.00
Bill Of Lading $50.00
GRI Charges $75.00 1 $75.00
Residential Pickup Charges $35.00
Charges for High Security Seal (What is this?) $15.00
Surcharge for Personal Effects (with or without Cars) $50.00
Drayage to Loading Area
(1 - 10 Miles)
$265.00 1 $265.00
Fuel Surcharge $95.40
Custom Clearance for Cars (Origin) $175.00 1 $175.00
Customs Brokerage Fee $0.00
Delivery Charges (1 - 10 Miles) $0.00 1 $0.00
Shipper's Declaration (Over $2,499.00) $30,000.00 $50.00
Total US $3,682.40

I really enjoy sleeping in the M's V Berth and I am 5 ten , the admiral is shorter and also fits in well . The curtains allow privacy and when open maintains the view from cockpit to forward hatch.
I use the head in the M as a storage locker for the fenders and life jackets and extra lines.
I think that the boat you like is the boat you have. The X vs. M thing is a question of personnal perspective and taste that boils down to cockpit size in the X and head space in the rear berth for the M.

For the price I can't complain about my M (and the traveller was included ).
Q1

Just got off both boats. & an

Our impression, we liked the better.

If you have strong following seas, advantage

If you want a second protection from following seas inside the cockpit, advantage

If you are practicing for poll vaulting, or high jumping, getting into and out of the cabin, advantage

If you are in a hurry under sail, advantage

If you want two rows of port and starboard windows in the cabin, advantage

If you want a new boat, advantage

If you want a blue factory hull, advantage

If you want the feeling of a bow private area, advantage

If you want a traveler rail by the cabin entrance, advantage

If you want a two foot taller mast, advantage

If you want carpet glued to the inside of the lower half of the cabin, advantage

If you want a higher helm seat, that is more or less over the engine, as opposed to more or less in front of the engine, advantage

If you want half as many boats in the used marketplace to choose from, advantage

If you want no sink in the bathroom, advantage

If you want a galley that moves on a track along the port cabin seats, advantage

If you want a smaller cockpit, advantage

If you want a larger cabin, including a little more headroom everywhere including the stern bunk, advantage

A boat is not something you can just read about. It is something you must expirence. First hand.

I believe there's a Mac dealership in Dubai, I think you're better off buying a new M than going through all that shipping & customs nonsense and besides that you should NEVER buy a boat without actually seeing it in person or even better sailing it to. And then there's the trailer issue with standards and regulations which vary from country to country around the world... another pain in the ass if you don't buy from a local Mac dealership. BTW: how much is the cost of a Gallon of gasoline in the UAE ? Just curious.

Frank L.

yasrkasem wrote: head size is so small comparing to an X

There is plenty of head room in an M - - - trust me on this one

Rick

pokerrick1 wrote:

yasrkasem wrote: head size is so small comparing to an X

There is plenty of head room in an M - - - trust me on this one

Rick

Both rooms are about the same size, but the way you can use them, is different. If you are working with the door open on each, with your feet on the outside of the head, the is one third larger give or take. Maybe 50% larger. Mind you, I have come to that opinion by just looking at the rooms, not by having used them.

My camper also has a small restroom. Ultra tiny, for a large RV. I hate that about it. This is why I am not going to make that purchase decision again, not knowing what I am getting into, or maybe I should say, not being able to get into. lol

I'm afraid that one slipped a tad over your 6'7" frame

Rick

I do have one advantage over all of you. When space gets cramped, and it is lights out time, I pull a leg off. Instant 4' 7"! lol Lost a leg in a train accident in 1968.

The leg has never been a handicap. The weight is a handicap. Wish I could loose that.