Why was the the galley moved?

[blue_shiba]

Hello again;
I was looking on some web pages concerning the X and M. Many show the galley positioned parallel to the boats side.. In one photo they had the galley which had the galley ajoining the head wall. [which I found really nice.] I think a mirror directly behind someones back [seating] not very practical. I know it helps to create an illusion of spaciousness but... ah well... So am I correct in thinking the galley after that year [2003] was placed in its current position? Also did the dining seating slide into the back sleeping position somewhat like what the galley does now? Also there wasnt any wood on the windows... but the galley had some wood like finish. I liked that. Any ways--can't wait to see what will be available by the time I actually purchase a Mac.......... I predict late fall of 2007.....

OH, here is a link to the image about the galley ajoined the bathroom wall.
http://www.gerryberg.ca/macgregor/26m.htm

Thanks again for some of the most interesting reading on the internet.

Ms. Shiba

[Tom Spohn]

What I gathered from the local dealer is the '03/'04 version was a reaction to customers wanting more space inside for crew, more luxury (tan interior with leatherette seating), quieter (carpeted hull), and easier access to the rear sleeping area. I believe MacGregor delivered on this. However; once launched, customers decided they wanted to stand directly in front of the galley, didn't want to move the table from storage everytime they needed it and wanted even more luxury. (wood window surrounds). MacGregor again delivered with the 2005-model. I know the local dealer believed Mac would continue to offer both interiors and was disappointed when they discontinued the '03/'04 version.

Personally, I like the '04 version, but liked our X as well and could live with the '05. My complaints with the boat had more to do with how it steered and sailed than the interior.

[Dubraque]

While the idea of a galley moveable on rails intrigued us when looking at the 2005 MacGregor, we found once we "nested" that we kept the galley in one location. We do like the dinette arrangement, which has lent itself to some modifications on it by affixing an LCD TV on the hull behind it and mounting a small shelf below it to hold a small DVD player. The mirror behind the seat hasn't presented any problems and is, in fact, visually a plus.

[blue_shiba]

what concerned me when seeing the 2005 mac at the boat show was the sliding galley yes.. I wondered if the hose that was just laying around the perimeter of the back bunk. IF it would get crimped or I would tangle myself up in it sleeping. I guess I feel the more you take something apart, slide it or loosen it.. the more it is subjected to wearing out or breaking.

[baldbaby2000]

I think I'd be OK with either but my wife didn't like the old M layout at all. The new 05 layout is what allowed our boat purchase to happen. Maybe it's a chick thing.

[LOUIS B HOLUB]

Galley in my MacX is convenient--sink,storage, & counter top, positoned as is. However, the Mac-M "open" cabin space is nice too. Sorta like compairing one's choice of colors, etc. We have the extra sink in the head, but havent used it. Maybe eventually with "picky" guests that like hand washing privately...or if we have extended trips eventually.
I think both, the M and X, have nice galley features.

[blue_shiba]

So you haven't used the bathroom sink? Hmmmm... makes me wonder if it IS really necessary... some handi wipes.. and a container perhaps.
I really am not into (foo-foo-frilly) as many ladies are... YET I guess I worry more about what I had posted earlier... IF things aren't well made for constant moving... the chances are it will break down rather quickly.. and IF I am going to live on the boat.. both in water and out. The boat/model I choose should accomodate most of adaption of environments and situations. Was thinking a galley that doesn't move is more likely to hold up is all... DOES the Mac X have a stationary galley?

Ms. Shiba

[richandlori]

The X does have a fixed non moving galley, as does the 2003-2004 M models.

[LOUIS B HOLUB]

...Head in my MacX is used, but not the sink, which has a separate bladder water system for the sink pump. Simply no need to use the head sink system, when the GALLEY SINK is fine. MacX accomodations are real nice.
I havent met any unappy MacGregor owners.

[Divecoz]

If you slide the galley part way back as we do and lock it into position you can use a back cushion to form a wrap around seat and cushion area . I like to lay back in this area surrounded by cushion leaning against the galley (high back support) and read . Hard to explain I guess

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Most found the M 04 galley (the one crosswise just behind the head ala the previous Mac 25) to be too limited for real use. It's small, you can't stand in front of it, the table blocks access to it.

This led to the M 05 galley which is in the same place as the fixed X galley (smaller with less storage than the X galley though) but can be moved aft into rear berth to gain more seating.

It does add versitility. You can do the sliding thing if you want to go to the trouble, you can leave it fixed forward if you use it frequently, or if you just day sail you can remove it and leave it at home for maximum interior space.

[Terry]

It's small, you can't stand in front of it, the table blocks access to it.

I have an '03 26M and have no problem standing in front of the galley to use it, I can even insert one half of the table to use as counter space and still stand there, but being somewhat lazy I tend to sit in the seat beside it and use the stove to cook something simple. I realize the '04 model is a one piece table but the '03 comes in two sections.
I would also like to point out that we rarely use the dinning area below, most of our cooking and eating is done in the cockpit using the sport barbecue and a coleman style stove. This makes the salon area
(with table removed) extremely voluminous and provides very easy access to the rear berth.

or if you just day sail you can remove it and leave it at home for maximum interior space

Really?! It must be a very tight fit to get it through the companionway, not to metion how heavy and cumbersome it must be, not entirely sure I would ever want to attempt it.

[waternwaves]

Perhaps one of the reasons the galley moved is the same as why most kitchens dont have carpets.......

just a thought.

Cleanup is easier on an X then when I am on an M, tho the mirror wipes down.....it still gets messy.

But I am sure no one else makes a mess cooking on an X or M

[They Theirs]

Why was the the galley moved?
The new M boat is substantially different from the old X

The "X" centerboard trunk presents a 16" high ridge from the mast almost back to the steps,
removal of a centerboard is a tougher job.



Unfortunately,this high ridge of the "X" model dominates the interior plan,
and made it essential to bring the dinette seating structure on one side out beyond the centerline to cover the Long Centerboard Ridge.



This forces the "X" model into a dinette type of configuration covering the long high ridge,
forcing the "X" dinette seating structure out past the center line from the mast almost back to the steps.



It also reduced the interior floor space (and thus moving around space) by a significant margin.



The daggerboard trunk, which is partially hidden by the 2003/2004 "M" galley, eliminates the 16" high ridge problem



The daggerboard requires a much smaller opening in the hull, which helps reduce drag and keep structural weight down, requires no metallic parts below the waterline. There are no holes in the hull to leak, or pins to wear.



The "M" model daggerboard retraction line, shown here, is less subject to wear,
and it can be easily replaced.



The board itself can be lifted out through the deck for cleaning, inspection or repair as opposed to the removal of a centerboard is a tougher job. . Daggerboards are a lot quieter and subject to less wear when the boat is moored or at anchor.



IMPROVED SEATS The 2003/2004 Limousine salon seats are like comfortable sofas. The starboard sofa is 6 feet long, and the port side is 10 feet. The main cabin sofas make fine, comfortable berths. (It is no longer necessary to unrig the table to use the seats as berths.)



MORE WINDOWS The two rows of windows give a lot more light inside, and greatly improve visibility.



The windows are flush mounted, and thicker than on the 26X.



IMPROVED INTERIOR BULKHEADS AND CABINETRY The galley and all doors and bulkheads are surfaced with top grade formica, and give the look of varnished mahogany.




The galley top and sink are produced by a rather exotic process that gives the look of Corion.
The 2003/2004 galley sits across the boat, and counter top is about the same size as the one on the 26X.



Large open floor of 2003/2004 Lounge Seating Interior




Superb Looking Galley of the 2003/2004 MACGREGOR "M" Model



GALLEY AND TABLE Tables, when in use, are essential. But when not being used, they gobble up a large amount of needed interior space,



the 2003/2004 Center Table, can be turned vertical



or completely removed in seconds and stored on the side of the huge aft birth, out of the way.





2003/2004 MACGREGOR "M' MODEL





















2005 MACGREGOR "M" Model Dinette Interior with Sliding Galley








MACGREGOR CENTERBOARD "X" MODEL











The new boat is substantially different from the old. The following is a summary of the changes.

[ronacarme]

The early M galley is essentially the same as on my old '88 D. It is one of the reasons I replaced the D with my 2001 X. Another reason was the D's M-like cramped head and its amputation of the stbd side of the v-berth.
My wife and I have spent up to 2 weeks living on the X. I think her max on the D was one night at a time, only a few times, and that was one big reason for X replacing D.
My 3500# tow packaged Windstar pulls my X (on trips van mid and back seats stay home, all boat gear goes into van), but the heavier M would in my opinion require the added expense of buying and fueling a heavier and thus less fuel efficient replacement for the Windstar.