Newest owner of a 26X

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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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OverEasy wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:55 pm When you do get the boat afloat it would be a good time to take a look at the bunk carpet. The carpet may be worn and/or have debris worked into the fiber. Replacing the bunk carpet would be a good think to accomplish PRIOR to any repainting. Check the underlying wood boards.
Make sure that if there is a “teeter-totter” pivot for the forward cross boards is still movable.
the bunk carpet is nasty, caked on paint and junk. definitely want to rehab the bunks
also considering the Stoltz self-centering roller (part RPSC-12) to replace the carpet bunks for the stem/keel area that is currently clean of paint.
seems to catch the stem and center the keel as it rolls forward onto it, does anyone use this?
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Hi Land Lady!

There is a “great debate” when it comes to the replacing bunks for rollers for Mac26S/X/M.

MacGregor designed the original trailers to deliberately use bunks instead of rollers to better distribute the hull loads in transit.
Rollers are basically thin lines of high contact pressure where they contact the hull (cylinder side to flat surface).
While the THICK hulls of power boats may (but definitely not always) be able to handle those high stress concentrations ( at least until a good pothole on the roadway comes along) the THINNER hulls of Mac 26S/X/M will have a more difficult 😣 time handling those stress concentrations.

Mind you, not all damage is obviously catastrophic or blatantly visual. The way fiberglass tends to fail is by progressive inter fiber delaminates within the material thickness. These accumulate over repetitive stress cycles. The higher the stress concentration X the higher the stress loads X the more frequent the loading cycle repetitions = the more likely there is to be damage.

A single 6 foot long by 6 inch wide bunk when properly positioned typically has about 80% contact to hull surface.
So roughly that would be (72” X 5.5”) X 0.8 = 316.8 square inches of functional hull contact area.
Typically there are at least two bunks which provides a total of 633.8 square inches of hull contact area to distribute load transfer between the hull and trailer.

The contact area of a roller cylinder to hull is effectively a line about 3” long without width. But there are some who might say the roller deforms so let’s be generous and say the width of the contact line for a really soft gushy roller is 1”. So the contact area per roller at 100% contact would be 3 square inches.

For rollers to get the equivalent contact area of the 6 foot bunks (@80% contact) it would be (633.8 / 3) = 211.2 rollers.
THAT IS A LOT OF ROLLERS! :o :?
(The actuality is that one would need even 3 times as many rollers to match the load distribution of the two 6ft X 5.5in bunks as a roller giving a 1” wide contact width and 100% engagement of all rollers is a bit overly optimistic.) I have seen several instances where soft rollers have degenerated and failed overtime and exposure.

Some of the centering roller sets I’ve had the opportunity to examine tended to have something of a scuffing action to move the heavy power boats associated to center.

A couple mitigations for the potential debris capture of carpet are very short nap indoor/outdoor carpet, low friction plastic surface strips instead of carpet, or Trex boards on top of the support bunks.

While our current bunks are in good shape due to the good efforts of the POs we are choosing to overlay the existing bunks with Trex boards secured with recessed SST screws after removing the existing carpet next year. Currently carpet is in acceptable condition and we power washed them at the DIY Car Wash when we brought the trailer home after launching Over Easy to remove any embedded debris.

We did add a second set of 60in guide poles ahead of the axles this year to complement the two existing ones at the rear that came with the trailer. We have all the guide posts sleeved with vented capped Sch40 PVC pipe. We have a pair of 3/8 tag lines running from the rear posts up to the front winch post to help guide Over Easy centered onto the trailer.

I do like the long side rollers that are available but I have seen them catch and fold their end brackets when retrieving in less than ideal condition while the guide post it was mounted to didn’t appear to sustain any damage.

Of course anything mentioned here is only my perspective and I fully admit there are probably multiple approaches to any given problem. :D :D

As always, your boat - your rules! :) :)
Enjoy your boat and have fun with it.

The more we use Over Easy the more relaxed and fun it has become.

Best Regards,
Over Easy
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Went down to the boat ramp yesterday to raise the mast and inspect the rigging. I’ve got the mast raising system, including the two mini-shrouds that keep the mast from falling to the sides when raising, rolling furler, boom vang, main halyard aft, and a lazy jacks.

Everything worked great! Took me two hours to raise, going slow and making mistakes, but it took only an hour to take it down and rig for the road again.

Also found a cheap spot right down the road to park her when I’m working, and they’ll let me tinker as long as I don’t spill fuel.

I think a few lines might need replacing, as well as the elastics in the lazy jacks. Also I am missing on the starboard lower shroud the metal bracket and pins and rings to clip it to the deck. I used the bracket and pins from the mast raising stabilizer, they’re all the same part, and it worked out just fine. Probably not a bad idea to pick up spares tho.

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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Also forgot to mention, I picked up the boat from the trailer shop and was given a green light on the trailer after a 36 point inspection.

The tech said the bearings and frame and axle and springs were just fine. He removed the drum brakes altogether, saying they were shot and if they fell apart on the road it could get ugly, but otherwise the trailer has his blessing to travel between the Cape and Vermont, possibly even to Florida or across to Wyoming.

I still feel less than confident on major cross country trips like that, but also I heard back from Trident yesterday with a quote for a new trailer, with options for single or dual axle and different types of brakes and lights and such.

The pricing seems fair, but not exactly in my budget yet. I will probably getting one before I plan a major trip next year tho, so I will be putting my trailer up for sale around that time. Hopefully someone on here is interested, probably has less than 2000mi as of now.
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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That’s Great!
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Looks great. Good work!!

I don't see any photos of her floating 8)

I don't believe trailer brakes are required for our boats. What are you towing with? Because I definitely feel that rig back there WITH brakes.
I would not want to go down a mountain pass without trailer brakes.

Boat looks great.
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Russ wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:11 pm Looks great. Good work!!

I don't see any photos of her floating 8)

I don't believe trailer brakes are required for our boats. What are you towing with? Because I definitely feel that rig back there WITH brakes.
I would not want to go down a mountain pass without trailer brakes.

Boat looks great.
Thanks!

Forgot to mention it, tow vehicle is a 2015 Ram 3500; not a dually but I do have engine braking and tow/haul mode. Curb weight is about 6300lbs, max tow capacity 14,500. I barely feel the Mac driving the hills of route 6 on the lower cape. mountain passes may be a little different but I’m not too worried. I just keep the tongue heavy enough and let people pass me.

It would be about $1300 to get new brakes put on, and I would definitely do that before towing with our Wrangler but I don’t see that happening any time soon. More likely a complete upgrade to the Triad instead. PS Mike said it’s about 8 weeks from ordering to delivery on his products
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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And also no floating pics, yet... need to replace a few lines and backstay to be comfy but the real excuse is wifey deserves to be on the maiden voyage for putting up with this endeavor.

Speaking of backstay, the eye at the bottom has a snapped line or two... is the BWY tensioner kit a complete replacement? I’ve seen folks on YouTube with some interesting setups, including one with a second chainplate installed port side making a Y. Recommendations?

Thanks!
Jeff
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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TheLandlady wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:14 pm bracket and pins and rings
By this I meant the female stay adjuster body and pins
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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That's a great looking boat. Congratulations!

Have you considered turning the tackle around on your mast raising system? I have the line coming out at deck level and led back to a rope clutch on the cabin top. That way I can use the winch for the first part of the lift and lock the line in the clutch if I need to stop part way through. If you don't have a clutch you may be able to reach one of the aft cleats. The winch is also useful for lowering the mast slower. I've also found that if I hook the gin pole up so that it makes a slightly acute angle with the mast it makes it easier to get the forestay attached.

If you are able to do the work yourself you can replace those brakes for a lot less than what you were quoted. I replaced two axles, four complete brake/drum/hub assemblies, all of the brake lines and fittings, and a surge coupler for just under $1000.
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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TheLandlady wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:38 pm And also no floating pics, yet... need to replace a few lines and backstay to be comfy but the real excuse is wifey deserves to be on the maiden voyage for putting up with this endeavor.

Speaking of backstay, the eye at the bottom has a snapped line or two... is the BWY tensioner kit a complete replacement? I’ve seen folks on YouTube with some interesting setups, including one with a second chainplate installed port side making a Y. Recommendations?

Thanks!
Jeff
BWY sells a full length backstay and a kit with a shorter backstay and a tensioner. If you have any broken or rusted strands on your backstay (or forestay or shrouds) you should replace it.

I can't think of any reason for adding another backstay unless you have made some other changes to the rigging that would necessitate it.

Regarding the maiden voyage, "You never get a second chance to make a good first impression" (when introducing your wife to your new mistress) :) Seriously though, you do want your wife to love the boat as much as you do and not worry about you when you are out on it. Fix everything you can that could work contrary to that goal before taking her out on it.
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Ok another update I had all day yesterday to go out and fix a few things and give a good cleaning.

I replaced the missing deck fairlead for the rolling furler with some longer screws and a load of 5200, went pretty well except the stupid microfiber cloth I got also from WM decided it couldn’t handle acetone and added a blue tint to my hull. Should buff out later but oh well. I used a dremel to gouge out the gel coat cracks, and probably should have filled and faired it with some epoxy putty before replacing but I don’t even think the leads are placed in proper locations and the only way to know is to give it a test run. Once I figure that out I’ll either remove and redo it right or just relocate them altogether and also fill the holes. I also replaced the grooved out plastic lead on the rail mount with a stainless insert lead.

Also the bow chainplate cover was floating free and the pop rivets were blown out (and I think aluminum or zinc) so I cleaned it up and drilled out the scraps and replaced the rivers with stainless steel, also a load of 5200. The first steel rivet actually destroyed my crappy harbor freight pop gun but luckily I am keeping The Landlady in the yard at an auto mechanic and he let me borrow his and it was like a knife through butter.

Also added the bow numbers and stickers and then went to town fighting back the mildew inside and out... that west marine mildew spray is unbelievable! You barely have to do anything but spray it on! I wiped it all off and it looks brand new, seriously impressed. I didn’t have access to water but I’ll give it a rinse in a few days.

I ordered the backstay tensioner and a replacement female stay adjuster for the starboard lower stay as well as a pack of replacement pins and rings for the rigging. Once that arrives I think we’re looking at a maiden voyage in cape cod bay sometime after 8/9.

Question about the cables hanging into the aft berth... is this normal? What exactly are they? Seems like the stiff ones are for steering but there is I heavy gauge soft one that I imagine is to start the motor. Is there any way to get them out of the way?


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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Be Free wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:54 pm That's a great looking boat. Congratulations!

Have you considered turning the tackle around on your mast raising system? I have the line coming out at deck level and led back to a rope clutch on the cabin top. That way I can use the winch for the first part of the lift and lock the line in the clutch if I need to stop part way through. If you don't have a clutch you may be able to reach one of the aft cleats. The winch is also useful for lowering the mast slower. I've also found that if I hook the gin pole up so that it makes a slightly acute angle with the mast it makes it easier to get the forestay attached.

If you are able to do the work yourself you can replace those brakes for a lot less than what you were quoted. I replaced two axles, four complete brake/drum/hub assemblies, all of the brake lines and fittings, and a surge coupler for just under $1000.
You know what i will definitely keep the line at deck level next time, when I used it to lower the mast on that first run I forgot to slide the companionway hatch aft. The mast started touching the hatch, so I had to lift it again. I was standing in the cockpit and started cranking on the lifting line and it went up and I cleated and then slid the hatch aft, lowered the mast again into the stirrup and all was well. But when I went to disconnect the mast raising system the tangs connecting to the mast plate were wildly bent from the angle of the cranking! I put them back into shape but learned two lessons that day, almost the hard way
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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Be Free wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:14 pm
TheLandlady wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:38 pm And also no floating pics, yet... need to replace a few lines and backstay to be comfy but the real excuse is wifey deserves to be on the maiden voyage for putting up with this endeavor.

Speaking of backstay, the eye at the bottom has a snapped line or two... is the BWY tensioner kit a complete replacement? I’ve seen folks on YouTube with some interesting setups, including one with a second chainplate installed port side making a Y. Recommendations?

Thanks!
Jeff
BWY sells a full length backstay and a kit with a shorter backstay and a tensioner. If you have any broken or rusted strands on your backstay (or forestay or shrouds) you should replace it.

I can't think of any reason for adding another backstay unless you have made some other changes to the rigging that would necessitate it.

Regarding the maiden voyage, "You never get a second chance to make a good first impression" (when introducing your wife to your new mistress) :) Seriously though, you do want your wife to love the boat as much as you do and not worry about you when you are out on it. Fix everything you can that could work contrary to that goal before taking her out on it.
Lots of wisdom here! She already loves the idea of the boat but gotta keep it that way. Backstay replacement is necessary, a few popped lines on the eye at the chainplate. I went ahead and ordered the tensioner system.
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Re: Newest owner of a 26X

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You are doing a great job!

Note: there should be no broken or rust through strands on any cable. Any cable that has become compromised should be replaced.

The failure of any cable can potentially result in the bending or failure of the mast when it is under load. Then there are also the secondary consequences after the failure to contend with which are seldom pleasant nor inexpensive. It much cheaper as well as safer to replace compromised cables.

You mentioned aft berth cables….

Yup, the thick hard line in the ceiling of aft berth are the teleflex steering line.
The two hard skinny ones on our Mac26X are the engine throttle and shift cables.
The soft floppy one is the engine ignition and instrumentation cable.

We organized the mess by adding a couple SST eyes with backing fender washers and nylock nuts into the ceiling of the aft berth where we could reach in through the provided access panels. Then tie wrapped things into place. Much neater and usable space now!

Well worth the effort!

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